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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Kaaba a Hindu Temple? Reply with quote

What is your opinion?

http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm

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Kaaba a Hindu Temple?
[Note: A recent archeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated
statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested
historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia.]

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?
By P.N. Oak (Historian)

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."

For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:

"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".

(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).

[Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]

A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:

That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.
That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.
That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.
An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.

...... rest of article at http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've looked around and as such so far I've not found a rebuttal to this claim, even though the article is certainly fishy. But it looks as though the pamphlet you have reproduced was distributed by Hindus in response to something Ahmed Deedat had said against Hinduism in the 1980s. Funnily enough, excerpts of the story (as described in Muslim Digest, South Africa) is reproduced by a Christian missionary site here:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Deedat/deedat.html

The exerpts do not mention what Ahmed Deedat had said about Hinduism, but clearly it had illicited an angry response. Hence the distribution of the article on the Kaaba. Sorry that I cannot confirm for sure whether or not the claims have any basis in reality.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salaam Aleikum,

There have been many claims to the Kaaba, Some also say it is a representation of Al'laat, the ancient Arabian goddess. Till now there are no good claims that are well-founded. Also most people neglect that the Kaaba by Abraham was built thousands of years ago. Thus between now and Abraham. The Kaaba was used for hundreds of different beliefs. Even if the hindu-king used it, then it doesn't mean it was originally built by him. Also, hinduism itself developed only after 500EC, before it was a mix of loose nature-worship and before that it was the monotheistic Vedanta movement. So to claim it to be a 'hindu' temple is already wrong.

It doesn't matter what the Kaaba was used for throughout the ages. It is only a symbol of unity. It is already not the original Kaaba built by Abraham as it has been rebuilt already 6 times in the last 1000 years. So the structure itself has no value at all. It can only be used as a symbol, which is the meeting point of Mankind. All other belief or reverence to the Kaaba is non-Quranic and even idolatry.

As for our dear PN Oak. This man is a hindu-extremist who tries to attack everything non-hindu. This biased person can not give objective research, and thus his findings and theories are not to be trusted. Also he must first explain how he got access to the Turkish Library as an indian. As long there is no Western Historian who confirms his findings, then we can reject the idea completely. Plus even it is confirmed, it doesn't mean the inscription is correct. To immediately also believe such a report on a inscription is unfailable evidence is ignorance. To make something a fact, we need dozens of proofs pointing all to the same conclusion. Till now, no research has done this in my eyes.

He even says that Christianity is a deformed version of Krishna-belief, and says Christ comes from the word Krishna. This is of course absurd as Christ is only the Greek word for Messiah. This already shows how ignorant this man is! He will claim anything. Only fools will believe such a man.

Here is some info on our dear historian:

Purushottam Nagesh Oak (born 2 March 1917), commonly referred to as P. N. Oak, is a controversial Indian historian associated with the Hindutva movement.

According to the introduction of one of P. N. Oak's books, he was born in Indore, Madhya Pradesh. He obtained M.A and L.L.B degrees from Mumbai University. From 1947 to 1953 he was a reporter for the The Hindustan Times and The Statesman newspapers. From 1953 to 1957, he worked in India's Central Radio and Public Ministry. From 1959 to 1974, he worked at the American Embassy in New Delhi. [citation needed]

He has written several books and articles about the history of India. His interest in rectifying what he believes to be "the biased and distorted versions of India's history produced by the invaders and colonizers" encouraged him to start the Institute for Rewriting Indian History in June 14, 1964. In modern India, he claims, secular and Marxist historians fabricated "idealized versions" of India's past and drained it of its Vedic context and content. Oak's work typically seeks to proclaim the virtues and achievements of Hindu culture and religion over other traditions.

He has claimed that both Islam and Christianity originated as distortions of Vedic beliefs.

He insists that the word Islam itself derives from the Sanskrit term "Ishalayam" meaning the Temple of God. He alleges that Kaaba in Mecca was originally a shrine to Shiva.[1]

He claims that Christianity began as a form of devotion to Krishna. According to Oak, "Christianity is a mal-pronunciation of the Sanskrit term Chrisn-nity also spelled as Krishna-neeti.

Come on! You ever read such ignorance...


Since Bhagavad Geeta is the book of Krishna-neeti, what we know as Christianity is a fossiled, broken branch of the Vedic tree, and in fact the ancient Bhagavad Geeta cult." Oak argues that the Papacy was "a Vedic priesthood" until Constantine the Great killed the Vedic pope to replace him with the head of the hitherto unimportant Christian sect. This instantly ensured the Europe-wide triumph of Christianity because of the "sacred sway of the holy hoary Vedic priest known as the Shankaracharya".[2]

Vedic pope! Wow, never heard that one before. This guy is good in fiction!

He has also claimed that the Taj Mahal and other buildings were actually converted shrines to Hindu deities. Oak also claims that the tombs of Humayun, Akbar and Itmiad-u-Dallah — as well as the Vatican in Rome,[3] the Kaaba in Mecca, Stonehenge and "all historic buildings" in India — were also Hindu temples or palaces.

Academics and journalists have been less sympathetic. Carl Ernst and Annmarie Schimmel write:

"The more extreme manifestations of anti-Muslim sentiment are visible .... ; examples that come to mind include .... the eccentric P. N. Oak, whose "Committee to Rewrite Indian History" maintains that there is no Islamic architecture in India, only defaced Hindu buildings." (p. 36) [7]
According to Akbar S. Ahmed:

"The Taj has recently entered a controversy which reflects the politics of modern India. Hindu fundamentalists, wishing to deny any positive role of Muslims in India, argue that it was not built by Shah Jahan. They claim Hindu rulers in the fourth century built it. Books with titles such as Taj Mahal Was a Rajput Palace (P.N. Oak, 1965) further argue this position. There is no merit in the argument, but it has acquired something of a popular following in India." [8]

As you can see this man is not driven by truth, but by hate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks for the detailed response - especially regarding Mr Oak. I for one had not known who he was.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

someone put this hoax into wikipedia about a year ago but now it has removed to discussion.

You may read the discussion in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vikram%C4%81ditya


About P.N. Oak himself, there is an article about him in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purushottam_Nagesh_Oak
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