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arista



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: How many wives Reply with quote

Salam,

This one taken from free-minds.org forum.. I just want to know other opinion

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg181025#msg181025

Excellent topic Simple. Unfortunately, (for the Men) the polgamy reference in Sura Nisa 4:3 is a mistranslation in english and misinterpretation along with a 'lustful' fallacy developed by Men.

Allah makes it clear.....

[An-Nur 24.32] MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.

وَأَنكِحُوا الْأَيَامَى مِنكُمْ وَالصَّالِحِينَ مِنْ عِبَادِكُمْ وَإِمَائِكُمْ إِن يَكُونُوا فُقَرَاء يُغْنِهِمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ

Thus the ayah An-Nur 24.32 destroys the polygamous fallacy.

If the female Musilimah's gave the married Males who approach them Sura An-Nur 24.32, the fallacy and misinterpretation would cease to exist.

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Now for those Men who believe they can still practice Polygamy, 'because Muhammad did'


Allah addresses these Men in the following Sura and ayahs....


[Al-Ahzab 33.37] Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allah

wa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha [should be humble] alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahu [to show humility, be fearful, submissive]

fa lamma [recitify or repair what was disordered] qada [decree or judgement has brought an end to ] zaydun[excesses] minha [from the FEMALE] wataran [one’s SINGLE desire or need] zawwaj nakaha [Female for Marriage] li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan


وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِي أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِي فِي نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَن تَخْشَاهُ فَلَمَّا قَضَى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنَاكَهَا لِكَيْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِي أَزْوَاجِ أَدْعِيَائِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا



Any excesses (i.e. polygamy, oppressing women, etc.) that were practiced in regards to females and marriage have now ENDED and those practices should cease.


[Al-Ahzab 33.50] O those who believe in the Prophet! ....ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU, AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS / waimraatan muminatan in wahabat nafsaha lilnnabiyyi in arada alnnabiyyu an yastankihaha/ يَسْتَنكِحَهَا khalisatan/ خَالِصَةً laka min dooni almumineena

Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)

Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah (applied to a Human)
Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
Online Single Page http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa)

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Sorry (ladies) gentlemen, Allah makes it clear you can nolonger practice excesses and marry all the women you want. The exclusive right to practice polygamy in its true sense was ONLY relegated to the Prophets of Allah

Now we can address Sura Nisa 4:3 in light of the truth.

Before we address Sura Nisa 4:3....

Allah continues to address the Men who still insist on 'slipping' by with 'exchanging' and changing their wife or wives for others.....*amazing Allah knows Men are lustful and rebellious*


[Al-Ahzab 33.52] It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.

La yahillu laka alnnisaa min baAAdu wala an tabaddala bihinna min azwajin walaw aAAjabaka husnuhunna illa ma malakat yameenuka wakana Allahu AAala kulli shayin raqeeban

لَا يَحِلُّ لَكَ النِّسَاء مِن بَعْدُ وَلَا أَن تَبَدَّلَ بِهِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَكَ حُسْنُهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ رَّقِيبً


Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either.....

Ok Lets just jump to the chase....

I will NOT post the english translation, because EVERYONE I have encountered is wrong.....

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاء مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ

[Al-Nisa'a 4.3] Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa inkihoo {MA TABA lakum minna alnnisai mathna wathulatha warubaAAa} fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fawahidatan aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo

[Al-Nisa'a 4.3] Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo


It is Ma = NOT Taba = good/lawful Lakum =TO/For YOU to be given the Minna = favor/gift/blessing/benefit of Al Nisai = (get married to) Women Mathna = 2, Thulatha = 3, and Rubaa = 4 TIMES


IT IS NOT LAWFUL to divorce get married, divorce get married, divorce get married again and divorce and get married again (and in doing so leave a family behind EACH time!)

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Al Yatama does NOT mean 'orphan'....

“Al” (adataatarif) is a Definite Article أداة التعريف, used to give the meaning of ‘Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.

yatama [noun, plural] sole, unmatched, single, lonely, jaded, one withoutparents; Root word atamm means more complete, more perfect, perfectly prepared, totally ready; Root word Tamm meaning consummate, of full value, self contained, needing no completion; Root word Tamma means to or become complete, completed, finished, done, to be performed, be accomplished, to come to an end;
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. page 117-118 (tamma)

When Allah references 'orphans' Allah uses the word 'yateem'

Al-Insan/Al-Dahr 76.8] And for His love they feed the food to the miskeen / the needy (who is reduced to poverty) and the yateem / orphan and aseer / captive.

[Al-Fajr 89.17] No, No! but you honour not the orphans / al-yateema!

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mathna wa thulatha wa rubaAAa does not mean two three and four because two, three and four in Arabic are: ithnaan, thalatha and arbaa' and not mathna, thulatha and rubaa

ithnan means 2 thalatha means 3 arba’a means 4

Allah confirms the definitive use of ALL these cardinal / ordinal number references in the following ayahs

[Al-Fatir/Mala'ik 35.1] Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two/ mathna, or three/ thulatha, or four/ rubaAAa. He adds to Creation as He pleases. for Allah has power over all things.

[Al-Ma'idah 5.106] O you who believe! When death approaches any of you, (take) witnesses among yourselves when making bequests,- two / ithnani just men of your own

[An-Nur 24.58] O, you who believe those whom your right possess and those among you who have not reach puberty, ask permission from you three / thalatha times/repetitions / marratin

[Al-Baqarah 2.226] For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four / arbaAAati

sadeeqal atheemi / Allah has revealed the truth

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http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg182030#msg182030

Lets continue, I will illustrate for you the several 'parts' or sentences in Sura Nisa 4.3

[Al-Nisa'a 4.3] Wain (Begins) khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama

fa = Conjunctive Preposition (Second)

VERBAL SENTENCE (Third) >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<<

fain = Conjunction Preposition; Presents an alternative or choice (Fourth) khiftum alla taAAdiloo

fa = Conjunctive Preposition (Fifth) ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<<

aw = Conjunctive Preposition;Presents an alternative or choice (Sixth) ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo

Aw (conjunction) meaning or, either, whether, until, unless; Presents a alternative similitude. Express doubt or give choice of one among a few;Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 37 (Au)

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Allah is instructing Men

1) Do NOT take the the blessing of marriage and violate that blessing by marrying 2,3 & 4 Times
2) If you believe that you will be able to sustain your commitment then marry ONE Woman, indefinitely
3) Otherwise, WAIT until you can feel secure and trustworthy then take a wife
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sis arista, Salaam. Exalted Prophet only had one wife before prophethood. She died after he became prophet. Quran was downloaded in one night on to his heart/brain during her life. In revealation he was prohibited from any further merriages. Do we think he would have acted against Quran.

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Drcheema



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salaam
i find it hard to believe that Mohammad (S) was given the exclusive right to practice polygammy.
He was an "Ab'd" and "Rasool", repeatedly He introduced himself as mere an Abd'Allah and the only difference was that His knoweldge was far beyond anyone as He was the recipient of Wahi. He not only recieved Wahi but also practiced and provided a living example of Quran.
I think the concession of Polygammy is general and only during the circumstances well described in Quran.However, i also feel that this Nikkah could be a "social contract" as well in order to provide shelter ( economic, social and moral) to the unfortunate females left behind in the society and in many cases had children also and either did not have or had very meager sources of sustenance.
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