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Who Brought Jewish People To Occupy Israel

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ali syed

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Who Brought Jewish People To Occupy Israel Reply with quote

Muslims all over the world are against jewish nation living in israel . My question how jewish people occupied this land. Did they come themselves or some one brought them . Was this not holy prophet Musa Allaysallam guided them to the promised land . If the Muslims are against the jewish it means they are going against Musa Allaysalaam and Musa Allaysalaam was commanded by God Almighty to do so.
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Arnold Yasin Mol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Dear Ali, first you need to understand the difference between Jews and Zionists. Jews are the religious descendants of Musa's people. Zionists also, but they are atheistic materialists who don't care about belief or religion. They are nationalistic and discriminating to other races. They formed in the 1900's, and were sick of their people's being spread all around the world. Plus they saw that Palestine had rich resources of oil and other products which could make them rich. So the atheistic Zionists made use of the religious Jews urge to live in their motherland. The British helped the Zionists to become the rulers in Palestine around the 1920's-30's. And after the second World War, 70-80% of all Jews living around the world came to Palestine, and in 1948 they proclaimed Isreal.

The Zionists controlled the country and still do. They want more land and are greedy. There are Jewish sects who believe they rightly posses the land, and also believe killing non-Jews is not a sin. But these sects are a minority. Most people in Isreal are sick of the war and also a lot of them want peace with the Palestinians. So don't mix up Jews with Zionists, and also don't generalize Jewish beliefs. Just like with Muslims, there are many different groups who all disagree on what is right and wrong.

Here is also a small article on the subject:

Judeo-Muslim relations
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palestine. A land for all.
Palestine is a burning issue since long and there are many claims on the ownership. The huge number of human lives, lost in this area is the lowest point on the face of humanity.
A myth that arabs were dispalced by incoming jews in 20th century is far from truth. Arabs themselves kept coming from all neighbouring regions in search of business, labour and religious pilgrimage purposes.
Followng is short search account on the history of immigration into this land.
A myth that has become accepted as common knowledge goes like this: The Jewish effort to populate Palestine necessarily involved the depopulation of its age-old Palestinian Arab community. Thus, the more the Jews came, built, and developed, the more the Arabs were displaced, and the worse off they became. Nothing could be further from the truth. Let's take a look.

1. When the Muslims first conquered Palestine in 638, the inhabitants of the land were primarily Christians and Jews. At that time, Arabs lived in Arabia (Saudi Arabia), and the conquest of Palestine was just one piece of a much broader series of conquests. Following the Muslim conquest, no attempt was made to impose an Islamic or Arab identity on Palestine, and no significant influx of Arabs into the land occurred.
"During the first century after the Arab conquest the caliph and governors of Syria and the land [Palestine] ruled almost entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the Bedouin, in the earliest days the only Arabs west of the Jordan were the garrison."
James W. Parkes, Whose Land?
A History of the People of Palestine
Over the centuries, Palestine's primary attraction was as a place of pilgrimage. Christians from around the world came to visit the holy sites of Christianity, and many ended up staying. For Muslims who were unable to make the Hajj to Mecca, Jerusalem sometimes became a place of secondary pilgrimage.* Palestine, due to frequent invasions, coupled with it being a place of pilgrimage, became a land whose population reflected a vast mix of ethnic origins.
"Among the people who have long been counted as 'indigenous Palestinian Arabs' are Balkans, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Afghans, Sudanese, Algerians, and Tartars."
Joan Peters, From Time Immemorial.
2. By the year 1500, almost nine hundred years had passed since the first Arab conquest, and in all of Palestine there were only 49,000 families representing a total population of 200,000. Two hundred thousand is not even a third of the population of Jerusalem today and is less than a quarter of the present population of Amman, Jordan. When the Ottoman Empire arrived in 1517, it had been fifteen centuries since the destruction of the Temple and the dispersion of the Jews. Throughout that entire period, though Palestine became religiously significant to both Christianity and Islam, its population was always in a great state of flux, and no distinctly recognizable ethnic group considered the area of Palestine to be their natural or ancestral homeland. The closest anyone came to establishing any kind of independent presence in the land were European Catholics who established the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem during the Crusader period.
3. The years 1800-1840 were a time of upheaval for the population of Palestine. During that period, Palestine was invaded by both Napoleon and the Egyptians. From 1831 to1840, Palestine was ruled by Muhammad Ali (no, not the boxer) of Egypt.
"The conquest did establish law and order in the country, but caused many old inhabitants to flee and new elements to settle in the land... the Egyptian settlers scattered to many urban and rural points, appropriated large tracts of land, and lent variety and numbers to the existing population... According to the British Palestine Exploration Fund regional map of Jaffa, most of the city was made up of Egyptian populated districts."
Arieh L. Avneri, The Claim of Dispossession.
Additionally, throughout the mid-1800s incessant little wars broke out between villages and rival clans in Palestine. It was often the case that one village would decimate another, destroy their property and cultivated acreage, and drive the inhabitants into exile.
"The Arab population of Palestine was small and limited until Jewish resettlement restored the barren lands and drew to it Arabs from neighboring countries... the Arab population in recent decades were recent newcomers-either late immigrants or descendants of persons who had immigrated into Palestine in the previous seventy years."
Dr. Carl Herman Voss, 1953
The Jewish-generated economic boom prompted Arab in-migration and immigration into the Jewish settled areas of Western Palestine beginning in the 1870s and continuing throughout the British administration of Palestine until 1946 or 1947."
Joan Peters, From Time Immemorial
"During those twenty-four years [1922-1946] approximately 100,000 Arabs entered the country from neighboring lands. The influx could be traced in some measure to the orderly government provided by the British; but far more, certainly, to the economic opportunities made possible by Jewish settlement... by opening new markets for Arab produce and new employment opportunities for Arab labor."
Howard M. Sachar, A History of Israel.

Question to Mr. Yaseen.
Zionists or jews, Why they should not have a right to live or own home some where. if yes, then where.
God created world for all. 55:10

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