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Re: Muslim terrorists
By:abdalaziz ariff / indiana
Date: Sunday, 22 November 2020, 8:00 pm
In Response To: Re: Muslim terrorists (David Yuers, Israel)

Quran doesn’t tell people to fight any more than Gita, Bible, Torah. Why pick on Muslims

My friend David Yuers, Israel –Shalom.

You are mad as hell, and we can not help it. There is a rule , when you study Qur’an- Context plus cross references is a must. Sad to say we the Muslims do not do it.

There is a verse in the Qur’an, you have to dig it out.

I recommend you go to the Wailing Wall, insert a letter and ask-we are the chosen ones, what should we do God.
The answer you will get is scary-the answer is –If you claim to be chosen one’s, then wish for death. We do not want to die, because of what our hands have sent up. This applies to all mankind-no exception.
Also when we were child , we were told by the elders, if you lie as an individual or as a tribe or as a nation- THAT IS BOUND TO HAPPEN.

Taking the verse out of context

Among several, there is one particular verse that is often used to brand Islam as a violent religion. In Verse 191 Chapter 2 of the Holy Quran, God says:
“And kill them wherever you encounter them and expel them from where they expelled you. Oppression is indeed worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Masjid Al-Haram (Ka’aba) unless they fight you therein. If they fight you, then kill them; such is the penalty of the disbelievers.”
But no one bothers to understand, even when told, that this verse was revealed when Muslims on the Hajj pilgrimage were attacked and killed by the Quraysh tribe who had signed a treaty with the Prophet to not attack the pilgrims.
The Quran has been revealed in parts over a period of 23 years to Prophet Muhammad. So, the verses are situational. Every chapter in the Quran mentions the location where the verse was sent to the Prophet. Also, the Quran is not compiled in a linear format. The same situation has been touched upon in an earlier chapter and part of it is anecdotally spoken about in a chapter much later because the Holy Quran isn’t a book of stories. It’s a book of lessons and morals.
No one mentions the verses that follow because then the Islamophobic agenda would be lost. In Verse 193 of Chapter 2, God says: “And fight them until there is no more oppression and the religion is for God, but if they cease, then no aggression is permitted except against the transgressors.”

How is this any different from Lord Krishna telling Arjun in the Bhagavad Gita to fight as his dharmic duty?
BG 2.33: “अथ चैत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि। ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि। (O Arjuna! If you do not fight for this religion and turn away from your religion, then you will lose your fame and glory).” Surely, Hindus will know the context.

From Gita to Bible to Torah
The Biblical Old Testament, too, tells believers to go to war.
Deuteronomy 20:1-4: “When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots and an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them, for the Lord your God is with you, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt. And when you draw near to the battle, the priest shall come forward and speak to the people and shall say to them, ‘Hear, O Israel, today you are drawing near for battle against your enemies: let not your heart faint. Do not fear or panic or be in dread of them, for the Lord your God is he who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies, to give you the victory’.”
Or how different is it from the Torah’s verses that speak of genocide and pillage?

Numbers 31:1-10 say: The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Avenge the Israelite people on the Midianites; then you shall be gathered to your kin.” Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Let men be picked out from among you for a campaign, and let them fall upon Midian to wreak the LORD’s vengeance on Midian. You shall dispatch on the campaign a thousand from every one of the tribes of Israel.” … “The Israelites took the women and children of the Midianites captive, and seized as booty all their beasts, all their herds, and all their wealth. And they destroyed by fire all the towns in which they were settled, and their encampments.”
Surely, the true followers of these religions will speak up against anyone seeking to use these verses out of context and painting their religion as violent?

But only Muslims are picked on and their beliefs targeted. We refuse to be apologetic about our religion. And we will protest democratically against these disgusting cartoons that further spread Islamophobia. Acts of terror cannot justify offensive cartoons as a symbol of liberty.

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James Miles, USA -- Saturday, 21 November 2020, 11:23 pm
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David Yuers, Israel -- Sunday, 22 November 2020, 5:05 pm
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Mubaschir, Toronto -- Sunday, 22 November 2020, 6:24 pm
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abdalaziz ariff / indiana -- Sunday, 22 November 2020, 8:00 pm
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