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Re: SEE 37 Undeniable Miracles of the Qur'an
By:abdalaziz ariff / indiana
Date: Wednesday, 20 May 2020, 8:02 pm
In Response To: SEE 37 Undeniable Miracles of the Qur'an (Dr. Mahbub Khan, California)

On The So-Called Missing Bismillah

Edip: The unveiling of the hidden meaning of the number 19 in chapter 74 (The Hidden one), in year 1974, exactly 19×74 lunar years after the revelation of the Quran, yes this great discovery explained many Quranic verses, challenges, concepts, features and fulfilled many prophecies, such as the following:
3. Why chapter 9 has missing Bismillah and why chapter 27 has an extra one.
Farouk: In your presentation at the Muslim Institute, you emphasised the importance of epistemology which is just a fancy word of determing what is knowledge exactly. Allow me to turn that question back to you:
How do you know it is a MISSING basmalah. In other words, how do u know at-tawba is an actual surah? Is it because:
a. The Traditionalists told you so?
b. There is some calligraphy between al-anfal and at-tauba?
c. You believe in a particular mushaf? If so, can you provide pictures of that mushaf so we can determine what that mushaf contains exactly.
In your book ’19: God’s Signature in Nature and Scripture’ pg 223, you mentioned the ‘perfect preservation’ of the Quran. Because it is ‘perfect’, it must therefore count every single word. Lets have a look the basmalah of 27/30:
Surely it is from Sulaiman, and surely it is in the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful;
This is not simply a basmalah! It is a basmalah contained within a bigger sentence. If you consider every word vital in the Quran (which I agree), why do you treat it as a simple basmalah? This shows ‘selective oversight’ on your part. You invoke precision when it suits you yet overlook it when it doesn’t.

On the ‘Meanings’ of the Muqata’at

Edip Yuksel: The unveiling of the hidden meaning of the number 19 in chapter 74 (The Hidden one), in year 1974, exactly 19×74 lunar years after the revelation of the Quran, yes this great discovery explained many Quranic verses, challenges, concepts, features and fulfilled many prophecies, such as the following
2. The meaning and role of 14 combinations of 14 letters/numbers in the beginning of 29 chapters
Farouk: What MEANINGS exactly? According to your video presentation (minute 3 or so of your first presentation), you said the first recipients of the Quran who heard ‘alif laam meem’ interpreted it as ‘1, 30, 40’ . How you know this is beyond me because you would have to get into the mind of people you never met, something which the muhadditheen did in their exericse of hadith purification.
In any case, you claimed that the meanings are numbers. How does that even fit into context? Are we to add the numbers (alif laam meem = 71). If so, 71 is not a multiple of 19 so how does the discover of 19 verify it?
Furthermore, you have inconsistent rules for verifying the role of these letters. For Alif laam meem, the letters in total are said to be a multiples of 19 in a single chapter (al-baqarah) and yet for ha meem letters , they do NOT work for a single chapter. If you were truly scientific, you would have remove all 7 chapters fitting the ha meem count!
On The Meaning Of Chapter 74

Edip : The unveiling of the hidden meaning of the number 19 in chapter 74 (The Hidden one), in year 1974, exactly 19×74 lunar years after the revelation of the Quran, yes this great discovery explained many Quranic verses, challenges, concepts, features and fulfilled many prophecies, such as the following:
1. The meaning of chapter 74.

Farouk: What you mean is YOUR INTERPRETATION of chapter 74 which raise some serious questions. I have listed some of the questions below:
1. 74/2 commands the ‘mudaththir’ to ‘qum fa andhir’ (stand and thereby warn). Why did the mudaththir not obey God immediately? Why did it require the intervention of Rashad to make it obvious?
2. 74/4 tells s the ‘hidden secret’ to purify its garments. What is the garment it wears and how does it purify?
3. 74/6 tells us the ‘hidden secret’ not to expect any gains. If this is talking to a miracle of God, how does it have any will or emotions to expect any gains?
Next, in your essay on pg 439, you postulated that since Jaheem and Jahannam refers to hell , it is unlikely that saqar also refers to hell (based on your context of the statement). Why do you not apply the same principle to ‘mudaththir’. BOTH words ‘hidden’ (khafiya) and secret (sirr) are used in the Quran so why did it simply rename ‘mudaththir’ (al-sirr al-khafiya – the hidden secret).
This is a selective use of your own principles.

On Circular Logic

Edip: The unveiling of the hidden meaning of the number 19 in chapter 74 (The Hidden one), in year 1974, exactly 19×74 lunar years after the revelation of the Quran, yes this great discovery explained many Quranic verses, challenges, concepts, features and fulfilled many prophecies, such as the following

Farouk: The year of the code’s discovery (if it is true at all) has zero relevance to this discussion. Lets keep to your principles of being objective, scientific, VERIFIABLE and falsifiable.
Edip: 1. The meaning of chapter 74.
Farouk: In your book, ’19: God’s Signature in Nature and Scripture’ pg 26, you wrote the following:
Ask the people who are leaving the church after the Sunday sermon in a modern neighborhood of San Diego: “Why do you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh and was sacrificed by God for other people’s sins?” As an answer, you might hear, “Because the Bible says so.” If you then subject them to a follow-up question, “Well, how you do know that the Bible is the word of God?” you might hear the following answer while witnessing the smile on the face of your audience fading: “The Bible says that it is the word of God.” Should you remind your audience that his/her reasoning is a circular argument the dialogue is likely to end immediately. If your audience allows you to ask more questions, you might receive the ultimate answer: “Because I believe so; I have faith in the Bible.” You might not be able to hear the reason behind the faith of many believers; moreover, you might never hear the real reason. None of the Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, or Mormons will tell you that they believe as they do because their parents and/or their immediate friends believe that way. This is, unfortunately, the reality for most believers.
In fact, you are practicing the exact same circularity here. Allow me to demonstrate:
’19 enables us to understand chapter 74’

‘Chapter 74’s true understanding comes from discovery 19’
So both of these hypotheses come from you. It’s a case of circularity. True understanding of chapter 74 is because of 19 code and 19 code manufactures true understanding of chapter 74.
It seems you are in the same boat as the bible-thumpers you condemned. Next, on your interpretation of ch 74.
Farouk A. Peru

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SEE 37 Undeniable Miracles of the Qur'an
Dr. Mahbub Khan, California -- Tuesday, 19 May 2020, 9:15 pm
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jawaid ahmed -- Wednesday, 20 May 2020, 12:18 pm
Re: SEE 37 Undeniable Miracles of the Qur'an
abdalaziz ariff / indiana -- Wednesday, 20 May 2020, 8:02 pm
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abdalaziz ariff / indiana -- Wednesday, 20 May 2020, 8:56 pm