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Re: ?God telling Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael
By:jawaid ahmed
Date: Saturday, 10 August 2019, 1:22 pm
In Response To: Re: ?God telling Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael (Waqas, London UK)

I did read it and the summary of the website link says:
“The Quranic evidence suggests that God tested Abraham with a dream in which he saw himself literally sacrificing his son. However, both Abraham and his son correctly understood its meaning/significance, and when Abraham confirmed the vision by leaving his son he was rewarded. For those familiar with the story of Abraham in Quran will know that he was dedicated to spreading the message of God throughout his life and is considered an imam (leader/exemplar) for the people.”

As stated in my previous response, the idea that Allah would test someone with a human sacrifice, albeit He knew He would prevent it from going ahead, via a vision, dream, or a man who wanted to know the truth would have a vision of son sacrifice and even think about doing it for his God, is an erroneous, Biblical fairy tale.
The idea that they understood it meant sacrificing his son by leaving him behind in a land is also false. How can leaving a son get rewards? Rewards are given for good deeds, following and putting into practice the principles of the Divine Revelation.
Allah tells us, and no doubt Abraham, to stay away from evil and then tells him to do an evil act! I do not think so.

2:218 Indeed, those who attain belief and those who forsake the domain of evil and strive according to God’s way – they are the ones who can rightfully hope for the grace of God. God is Absolver of imperfections, Merciful. [2:132, 53:32, 53:39-40]

The only sacrifice that makes sense is described by Dr Saab in the following verses:

2:124 And remember when his Lord had Abraham go through trying circumstances with His commands, and he fulfilled them. Then He said, “I have appointed you an exemplary leader for all mankind.” He asked, “And of my offspring?” He replied, “My Covenant does not include the wrongdoers.” [Being the offspring of a great man avails none. Trying circumstances: Abraham stood up to the formidable challenge of a mighty priesthood, rampant idolatry and the tyrannical autocracy of King Nimrod Shaddad in Ur, Mesopotamia. Imam = Plumb line that ensures that the wall is vertical = An outstanding leader]

37:101 So We gave him the good news of a clement son (Ishmael).
37:102 And when he was old enough to strive along with him, Abraham said, “O My dear son! I have had a vision that I must give you to a life of test and tribulation for a noble cause (37:107). So look, what do you think?” He said, “O My father! Do what you are commanded. God willing, you will find me of the steadfast.” [Have had a dream = Have had a vision. Zibh and Zabh = Sacrifice = Disregard comfort for a noble cause. Just as Qatl = To subdue, kill, fight, humiliate, bring low]
37:103 As both of them had surrendered themselves (to God), he made Ishmael further submit in gratitude. [Contrary to popular tradition, Abraham never envisioned or intended to slaughter his son. God does not play games with His servants. Literal ‘forehead to ground’ = complete submission in gratitude]
37:104 We called unto him, “O Abraham!
37:105 You have already affirmed the vision. We – This is so - We must reward the doers of good.”
37:106 This was a trial, clear in itself. [Leaving the prestigious office of Chief Priesthood in Babylon and now the comfort of Syria for the wilderness of Makkah]
37:107 We exchanged his life for a Momentous Sacrifice. [Please notice here the absence of the Biblical and the traditional myth of a 'ram' sent from the heavens. Also, note that slaughtering of a sheep or goat, by no means, can be considered a Momentous Sacrifice. 14:37, 37:102] 37:107 We exchanged his life for a Momentous Sacrifice. Notice here the absence of the Biblical and the traditional myth of a 'ram' sent from the heavens. Also, note that slaughtering of a sheep or goat, by no means, can be considered a Momentous Sacrifice. 14:37, 37:102. Leaving the prestigious office of Chief Priesthood in Babylon and now the comfort of Syria for the wilderness of the valley of Makkah was the Momentous sacrifice]

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Did God tell Abraham to sacrifice his son?
Waqas, London UK -- Thursday, 8 August 2019, 6:44 pm
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Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Thursday, 8 August 2019, 11:49 pm
Re: ?God telling Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael
Waqas, London UK -- Friday, 9 August 2019, 6:55 am
Re: ?God telling Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael
jawaid ahmed -- Saturday, 10 August 2019, 1:22 pm
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Waqas, London UK -- Friday, 16 August 2019, 7:34 pm
Re: ?God telling Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael
jawaid ahmed -- Saturday, 17 August 2019, 10:29 am
Re: Did God tell Abraham to sacrifice his son?
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 9 August 2019, 7:59 am