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Re: The real problem of the Ummah (jawaid ahmad,u
By:jawaid ahmed
Date: Thursday, 18 October 2018, 2:25 pm
In Response To: Re: The real problem of the Ummah (jawaid ahmad,u (A Sayed (South Africa))

Abraham was not given a book like Bible but what is written about him is in Bible and Qur’an.

As the Qur’an says it is now the criterion to judge what truths are present in books purporting to be the Word of God it is incumbent upon us to reject any and everything that does not agree with what the Qur’an says. It is even more important to not equate the Bible with the Qur'an!

The ‘nature’ in the Qur’an is in complete agreement with the nature discovered by science, which is not the same for the Bible. Nature in the Qur’an tells us that it is unnatural and against Allah for anything that goes out of its ‘nature’; so, for a human to procreate they need male and female parts, not one and a miracle.

Nature teaches us and taught Abraham that nature is following the laws of Allah and the created things or the manmade things are not to be worshipped, monotheism is the order of the day. This is the overriding ruling to bring tawhid to mankind, not agreeing with any nonsense we want to believe in just because it is in a book purporting to be the word of God, for example one God day=1000years, man on earth for 6000years!

My ‘problem’ is that I accept the Qur’an alone for Guidance and science, common, intelligent, researched, sense for everything else.

6:75 is about monotheism and looking for the signs of Allah in the universe to prove that these is only this One God, not about looking for natures in one species being applied to another:

6:71 Say, “Should we call unto those who can neither benefit nor harm us, and turn back on our heels after God has guided us right? In that situation we would be like one whom satans (his satanic comrades) have enticed and he is wandering bewildered on earth. His companions invite him to show him the way, but in vain. Say, “The Guidance of God is the true guidance, and we are commanded to submit to the Lord of the Worlds.”
6:72 “And to establish the Divine System and live upright. He is the One to Whom you will be summoned."
6:73 And He is the One Who has created the heavens and earth with a definite purpose. Whenever He says “Be!” it is. His Word is the truth. And His will be the Dominion on the Day the Trumpet (of Resurrection) is blown. Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, for, He is the Wise, the Aware. [3:191, 38:27]
6:74 Remember when Abraham said to his father Azar (Terah), “How could you worship idols as gods? I see you and your people are in obvious error.” [Azar is called Terah in the Bible and Zarah in Talmud]
6:75 And to this end, We gave Abraham insight into the Mighty Dominion of the Universe so that he might attain firm conviction.
6:76 (Some of his people were idolaters and others were nature-worshipers.) One night when it grew dark upon him he saw a planet (Venus). He said, “This is my Lord.” But when it set, he said, “I do not love things that fade away.”
6:77 (Another night) when he saw the moon rising in splendor, he said, “This is my Lord." But when it set, he said, “Unless my Lord guides me, I will be of those who go astray.”
6:78 (In the morning) when he saw the sun rising in splendor, he said, “This is my Lord. This is greater!” But when it set, he said, “O My people! I am free of all your idolatry.” [Of course, Abraham knew that the celestial bodies were not gods. He is only preaching to his people by example]
6:79 “I have focused firmly on Him Who initiated the heavens and earth. As an upright man turning away from all that is false, I will never be an idolater.”

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Istanbul to host ‘Ummah’ conference
Tarek Osman, Turkey -- Tuesday, 16 October 2018, 8:55 pm
Re: The real problem of the Ummah
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 3:24 pm
Re: The real problem of the Ummah
jawaid ahmed -- Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 4:28 pm
Re: The real problem of the Ummah (jawaid ahmad,u
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 18 October 2018, 7:37 am
Re: The real problem of the Ummah (jawaid ahmad,u
jawaid ahmed -- Thursday, 18 October 2018, 2:25 pm
Re: The real problem of the Ummah (jawaid ahmad,u
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 18 October 2018, 5:26 pm
Re: The real problem of the Ummah (jawaid ahmad,u
jawaid ahmed -- Friday, 19 October 2018, 7:31 am
Re: Istanbul to host ‘Ummah’ conference
Sidqi, ca -- Friday, 19 October 2018, 7:31 pm