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Re: Return of Jesus
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Tuesday, 28 August 2018, 5:21 pm
In Response To: Return of Jesus (Faisal Iftikhar, Dallas, TX)

Same word used for Idris, but no fairytale stories of him alive in heaven.
Has he read the Qur'an here:
All Messengers Are Dead

3:144 Remember that Muhammad is only a Messenger. The messengers before him have passed on. So, if he died or were slain, would you turn about on your heels? But anyone who turns about his heels, would not, in the least, harm God. And God will soon reward those who remain appreciative (for the Guidance).
[The System the Messenger has established is to become a Beacon of Light for all humanity. The believers will reap the fruit of the Benevolent System here and then, get rewarded in the Hereafter. 3:101, 3:185, 35:10]

All Messengers before Muhammad were dead. And as Jesus is confirmed to be a messenger by the following:
5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a Messenger, like other messengers before him who passed on. And his mother was a woman of Truth. Both of them were human beings who had to eat food (like all other mortals). See how clearly We explain Our verses for them, and note how they still deviate!
Jesus was a messenger like all earlier messengers and just like our Last Messenger, no different in any respect, birth or death. He was born, and he died a natural death, there is no reason why he should have been raised up and once again Muslims are following fantastic Christian interpolated stories.

Let us look at various verses from the Qur’an where this word is used and hopefully you will see the correct meaning without me explaining it first. Check the Arabic to see if I am trying to pull a fast one and give you a false understanding; thinking and finding out something yourself is sometimes much more beneficial than just being told, as per:
96:1Read! In the name of your Lord and Cherisher, Who created- [you to think!]
Let us begin by reading, not reciting!
2:240 Men must testify in a written, legal will that, after their death (yutawaffawna), their widows will receive one year’s maintenance without their being obliged to leave the house. But, if they leave on their own accord, there is nothing wrong in letting them do whatever they wish to do with their own lives in a lawful manner. And God is Almighty, the Wise (and He grants this permission).

If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them(yatawaffahunna), or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
4:97 As for those who wrong their own ‘self’ by not striving until the angels (the Laws of death) (tawaffahuma) approach them, they are asked, “What kept you occupied?” They say, “We were weak and oppressed in the land.” The angels say, “Was not the earth of God spacious enough for you to migrate?” As for such, their habitation will be Hell, a miserable destination.

And some more:
6:60 He suspends your consciousness during sleep at night, and knows what you do by day, when awake. He resurrects you every morning until your life span is completed. Death is, likewise, a temporary suspension of consciousness and afterward to Him is your return (39:42). Then, He will inform you of what you really accomplished.
6:61 He is Supreme over His servants. His Laws guard your life until the inescapable Law of death approaches you. When death comes to one of you, Our couriers receive him without delay.

7:34 All nations and communities determine the terms of their Rise and Fall in accordance with these Divine Laws. And these Laws work with meticulous timing, without delay and without hastening.
7:35 O Children of Adam! (I had revealed in the early stages of human civilization that I will keep sending My Guidance to you 2:213.) So, when messengers of your own come to you narrating My messages, those who will live upright and mend their ways, will have nothing to fear or grieve.
7:36 On the other hand, those who reject Our revelations and scorn them, will dwell in the Hellfire to live therein, forever.
7:37 Who can do a greater wrong than the one who invents lies about God, or belies His revelations? They get their due share according to the Law of Respite till Our couriers of death come to them saying, “Where are those on whom you called besides God?” They will respond, “They have left us hanging.” Then they will testify against themselves that they had been disbelievers.

7:126 "Will you persecute us simply because we believed in the revelations of our Lord when they came to us? Our Lord! Strengthen our resolve and make us die as those who have surrendered to You

8:49 The hypocrites, and those who harbor doubts in their hearts, taunted the believers, “Their religion has deluded them." But, whoever puts his trust in God, will find that God is Exalted in Might, Wise.
8:50 Only if you could perceive how the rejecters leave this world, as the angels put them to death. It is as if they were smiting their faces and backs, “Taste the doom of burning.”
8:51 “It is the result of your deeds that you sent forth with your own hands. God is never a tyrant to His servants.”

10:104 Say, "O Mankind! If you have any doubt about the System that I am trying to establish, and if you believe that other parallel systems can be of avail to you, let us go ahead with our programs. I do not worship and obey those whom you worship and obey instead of God. But I obey God Who causes you to die (and Who controls the Laws of life and death of individuals and nations). I have been commanded to be of the believers.”

(About Joseph ,Yusuf)
12:101 Then, Joseph prayed, “O My Lord! You have indeed bestowed upon me some power, and have imparted to me the insight into events. Originator of the heavens and the earth! You are my Protecting Friend in the world and the Hereafter. Help me remain committed to your Commands till the last breath (die), and be counted among those who help increase human potential.”

13:36 Hence, they to whom We have given the Book, rejoice in what is revealed to you (O Messenger). But, among the (dissenting) groups, there are those who deny a part of it. Say, “I am commanded only that I serve God and associate none with Him. Unto Him I invite all mankind, and He is my goal.” [The dissenting groups even preach that some of the verses are abrogated or that they have a hidden meaning!]
13:37 Thus, We have revealed it, a Decisive Authority in Arabic. (O Messenger) indeed if you got influenced by people’s likes and dislikes after the knowledge has come to you, you will have no protector or defender against God.
13:38 And certainly We sent messengers before you, and We appointed for them wives and children as well. It was not given to any Messenger that he could bring a sign (the requital they hastened for), but it came according to God’s Law of Respite. For every rise and for every fall, there is a Written Law. [7:34. All messengers were mortal human beings and they conveyed God's Revelation as commanded. Please note that all of them had wives and children, and think of Jesus!]
13:39 God blots out and establishes communities according to His Laws. Nations rise and fall accordingly, and with Him is the Ultimate Decree.
13:40 (O Messenger) Whether We show you what We promise them, or cause you to die before that, your duty is to convey the Message. And the reckoning is Ours.

16:70 And God has created you, and in time will cause you to die. There are some among you whose lives are prolonged to an abject old age, when they cease to know what they once knew so well. (The time to do good deeds is when you are capable.) Surely, God is All Knowing, the Powerful Appointer of His Laws. [22:5]

Some translations are even more explicit, Y Ali:-
16:70It is Allah who creates you and takes your souls at death; and of you there are some who are sent back to a feeble age, so that they know nothing after having known (much): for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Powerful.

Find your own verses, there are many more but I believe I have made my point.
Why say “raise you to Myself” for the one verse about Jesus but “death” for every other verse? Deceit; lie; falsehood; SUBMITTING TO SATAN AND NOT TO ALLAH! That is the answer. Where are the scholars of Islam now? Where are the Imams, the Muftis, and the Mullahs who week after week tell the Qur’anically illiterate that Jesus is not dead but is up in heaven, while we are awaiting his return? They even misquote the above verses to support their viewpoint that Jesus was physically raised up.

In his book “Jesus did not die”, Harun Yahya has the following translation:
3:55 [God said:] "Jesus, I will take you back [mutawaffeeka] and raise you up [wa raafi`uka] to Me and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection..."

“I will take you back” from where to where? Nowhere does the Qur’an state that Jesus is sitting on the right hand side of God or transported into another dimension where time does not exist so that he will return a young man after 2000 years (so far!) (by reading the hadith and “understanding” the Qur’an from them, Harun Yahya says he knows it is the “end times” now, which Allah says only He knows, so Harun is better than Allah!!!! See Judgement Day section). He states that people do not always die when this word is used, according to the following verse:
39:42It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.

Those that do not die when after their “souls” (conscience) are “taken out” are returned after their sleep. So, Harun states, that Jesus was taken up to Allah in his sleep and is still to return. Where have you seen sleeping people floating up in the air to return to their beds by morning? The verse does not confirm physical ascension and is just a red herring for those who already believe such mumbo jumbo. If the above verse is correct Jesus’ body should still be on earth in a state of hibernation or mummification, waiting for his “soul” to return. Things in the muslim wonderland go from the absurd to the ridiculous. Harun also falsely states that it is only in the figurative sense that “mutawaffeeka” means to “take the soul” since he cannot unprogramme his indoctrinated mind from this Houdini like magic trick. Our minds become unconscious of the world around us during sleep but has nothing to do with dying. That is why it is used to refer to EVERYONES soul being taken during sleep and not just that of Jesus. He was no different to us in this respect so the above verse is not supportive of ascension.

To put the above in perspective, going from the ludicrous to the sublime, here is the Qur’an As it Explains Itself, the correct translation:

3:55 “O Jesus! I will cause you to die of natural causes, I will exalt you in honour and I will clear you of the slander of the disbelievers. And I will cause those who truly follow you to dominate those who reject, until the Day of Resurrection. Eventually, all of you will return to Me. Then I will judge among you about that wherein you used to differ.” [Wafaat = Dying of natural causes. Rafa’ = Raising in honour]

Just out of interest, we become unconscious while asleep and our egos, our ‘I’, are not aware of the world around us. When awake we see things by light entering into our eyes and being turned into a chemical message transmitted to the brain via the optic nerve from the eye. The object is actually a chemical representation of the real object in our brains. During sleep our brains are not receiving this information and as a result our egos are asleep as well. On Judgement day it is conceivable that our egos will be raised up by Allah so that we are able to see without this chemical interpretation of the world, but like everything I am trying to understand, Allah knows best.

Jesus Not Killed= Raised To Heaven Alive

What is a cause of confusion in the minds of some are the following verses:
4:155 They incurred condemnation for breaking their Covenant, rejecting God’s revelations, and killing the Messengers wrongfully. And for saying, “Our hearts are wrapped up; we have made up our minds.” Nay, God’s Law sets the seal on their hearts because of their persistent denial. They lost their faculties of reasoning. So they do not acknowledge the Truth, except a few.
4:156 And for their disbelief to the extent that they brought a terrible charge against Mary.
4:157 And for claiming, “We killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, God’s Messenger.” They never killed him and never crucified him. But it appeared so to them and the matter remained dubious to them. Those who hold conflicting views on this issue are indeed confused. They have no real knowledge but they are following mere conjecture. Very certainly, they never killed him.

This says the Jews boasted they had killed Jesus so the Qur’an has to deny this by saying Jesus was raised up alive!
It was possible to kill Messengers of Allah, the Jews had previously done so, but they did not kill Jesus. He was saved from dying and was not even crucified so our scholars have said he levitated up to ‘seventh heaven instead. The verses do not support this but only their not being able to kill him so we cannot then mistranslate the next verse, 158, as “God raised him to Himself”, but as this:-
4:158 Nay, God exalted him unto Himself. (They had plotted thinking that crucifixion was a death of dishonour. But God raised him in honour.) God is Almighty, Wise.

Now the word ‘bal’, nay in the above is joining what is said before to what is said after it. As the Jews boasted they had killed Jesus then the words saying Jesus was raised alive were used to deny his death. But this is wrong. The Jews boasted they had killed him because according to the Bible any man who claims to be a messenger and is found to be false should be put to death. By claiming they had killed him they were proving he was not a messenger, not the messiah and are/were dishonouring Jesus. As the Qur’an says he was both, it then negates their claim that they had killed him, giving him the honour he deserves.

Duty Completed

Another meaning of the word wafa is also “relieving from duty” which could explain why Jesus was not heard of after his so-called crucifixion. The duty of every Messenger is to deliver the Message of Allah to the people. They were so hell bent on trying to stop Jesus that Allah relieved him of this duty and he quietly went away to live out the rest of his life away from the cesspool that Jerusalem had become. Maybe this is what was meant when Jesus said the following (speaking about the coming of a new Messenger who will rectify the falsehoods attributed to Jesus and his Mother, but which Muslims have equally offended),

Bible, John, chapter 16
16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you

This is worth considering and still makes more sense than Jesus as a sleeping beauty, no doubt waiting for Prince Charming Harun Yahya to kiss him on the cheek to awaken him.
Now another match to light the flames of the Kafir (those who follow falsehood but wrongfully believe they are on the right path!) in their eternal, eventual, abode of Hell:

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Return of Jesus
Faisal Iftikhar, Dallas, TX -- Tuesday, 28 August 2018, 12:48 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 28 August 2018, 5:21 pm