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Re: Namaaz? Al-Jumu'ah – The Congregation JAWAID
By:A Sayed (South Africa)
Date: Friday, 17 August 2018, 6:13 am
In Response To: Re: Namaaz? Al-Jumu'ah – The Congregation Shahal (jawaid ahmed,uk)

YOU SAID:”No consensus? Then judge from the Qur'an not natural laws in ilm this or ilm that!

That is much you know Qur’an.
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CONSENSUS:

42:38 -They respond to their Lord by establishing Salaat, and conduct their affairs by mutual consultation, and they keep open for the welfare of others what We have given them

39:55 -And follow the best teaching (the Qur´an) that has been revealed to you by your Lord before the Doom comes upon you suddenly without your perceiving of the why, how and whence of it. [39:18]
39:18 -Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best of its application (in a given situation), such are the ones whom God has guided, and they are the ones endowed with insight

What does following “the best course” means as a community, yours or mine or that by consensus of the community?
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NATURAL LAW:

3:83 -What! Do they seek other than the Prescribed way (Deen) of God, when to Him submit all beings in the heavens and earth, either by free will or by their innate nature and programming, and to Him they will be returned - and to Him they go back as their Originating Source. [All things in the Universe surrender to God, either by free will as the believers do, or through their innate nature such as animals, trees, stars, seasons etc. Even the deniers of the truth live by Divine laws in their physical lives]

3:83 -DECLARE, “We believe in God and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and their descendant Prophets, and what was given from their Lord to Moses, Jesus and the other Prophets. We make no distinction among any of them. And we submit to Him alone.” [All Prophets were one in purpose. 2:253, 17:55]

3:84 -Whoever seeks as a Way of Life other than Islam (Submission) to God, it will never be accepted from him, and in the Eternal Life, he will be among those who have lost their investments completely. [This is because the Deen (Religion) of the entire Universe is Submission]

*Deen is not Religion. And as long as you do not understand that you will never know what the importance of the Deen of Allah and Islam is and how they connect to natural law and how they intersect the knowledge of the secular and religious?

When Abraham did not find a Way after questioning his father, Allah did not send him a Book but “showed him the natural laws of the different dominions of the heavens and the earth, so that he might (with understanding) have certitude” (Qur’an 6:75).
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ILM:

Atheist and secularists say that we should develop a society based on “science and reason”.

The Qur’an also states that we should develop a society based on “science and reason”.

What is the difference?

Atheists use “science based”/”evidence based” methodology to do so. Hence, they do not only reject Religion but also deny the existence of God.

Qur’an uses nature’s methodology of ilm-ul-yaqin, ayn-ul-yaqin and haqq-ul-yaqin as plants and animals do according to which it rejects Religion but not belief in God as Creator, Designer, Sustainer, Protector, etc, of the Universe and asks us to follow the secular and scientific path of the creation without being Godless.
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CONCLUSION: Your knowledge of Qur’an is DANGEROUS and EMPHATICALLY misleading. Those who have praise for you, I wish them GOOD LUCK.

Best Regards,
AK Sayed (South Africa).

Messages In This Thread

Namaaz?
Furkan Derya Yıldız, Turkey -- Thursday, 9 August 2018, 12:50 am
Namaaz, Contrived
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Thursday, 9 August 2018, 12:51 am
Where do we start ?
Muhammad Rafi Karachi -- Saturday, 11 August 2018, 7:52 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 August 2018, 7:44 am
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Sidqi.ca -- Thursday, 9 August 2018, 6:28 pm
Namaaz? Al-Jumu'ah – The Congregation
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Thursday, 9 August 2018, 7:23 pm
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shahalam, TX -- Thursday, 9 August 2018, 9:24 pm
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Sidqi. ca -- Friday, 10 August 2018, 12:40 am
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shahalam, TX -- Friday, 10 August 2018, 2:02 am
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Sidqi.ca -- Friday, 10 August 2018, 7:10 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 10 August 2018, 7:45 am
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Sidqi, ca -- Friday, 10 August 2018, 8:59 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 August 2018, 8:27 am
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Sidqi, ca -- Saturday, 11 August 2018, 8:47 pm
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shahalam, TX -- Monday, 13 August 2018, 9:46 pm
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Sidqi.ca -- Tuesday, 14 August 2018, 6:45 am
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shahalam, TX -- Tuesday, 14 August 2018, 8:17 pm
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Sidqi.ca -- Tuesday, 14 August 2018, 10:41 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 15 August 2018, 1:24 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 16 August 2018, 7:46 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 16 August 2018, 5:54 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 17 August 2018, 2:06 pm
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Sidqi, ca -- Friday, 17 August 2018, 8:25 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 18 August 2018, 11:17 am
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Sidqi, ca -- Monday, 20 August 2018, 4:52 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 20 August 2018, 4:52 pm
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Sidqi, ca -- Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 4:14 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 22 August 2018, 10:19 am
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shahalam, TX -- Wednesday, 15 August 2018, 3:39 pm
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Sidqi.ca -- Wednesday, 15 August 2018, 9:37 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 16 August 2018, 7:02 am
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shahalam, TX -- Thursday, 16 August 2018, 3:44 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 16 August 2018, 4:43 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 17 August 2018, 6:13 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 18 August 2018, 7:59 am
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AK Sayed (South Africa) -- Sunday, 19 August 2018, 9:57 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 20 August 2018, 11:34 am
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A SAYED -- Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 8:51 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 5:16 pm
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ismael,florida -- Wednesday, 22 August 2018, 3:43 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 23 August 2018, 7:37 am
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Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Friday, 10 August 2018, 1:18 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 10 August 2018, 7:40 am
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Abdul Samad -- Sunday, 12 August 2018, 1:57 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 14 August 2018, 11:30 am
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Shad USA -- Friday, 17 August 2018, 7:57 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 18 August 2018, 11:31 am
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shad usa -- Wednesday, 22 August 2018, 7:14 am