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Re: Why the "millat of Ibrahim"? (Jawaid Ahmed, uk
By:A Sayed (South Africa)
Date: Monday, 23 July 2018, 1:16 pm

You said: “You have stated that whatever our ancestors have given us and made a creed of Abraham must be followed, eg circumcision etc. What have these beliefs got to do with the Qur'an?”

I have noticed in the last four years that I am on this forum is that you do not read and understand what people say and mean. Hence, you deliberately tell a lot of lies that people have said this and that when they have not said anything like that.

For example, according to the Creeds of Abraham, do you observe in Nature that “circumcision” is a law of Nature? No, therefore, according to the Creeds of Abraham, which Allah commanded the Prophet Muhammad (s) to follow, does not include circumcision. It is a separate commandment outside of the Creeds of Abraham that Allah gave to the Jews according to the Old Testament of the Bible.

Was Jesus given the commandment to circumcise? No, then was he disobedient to the commandment of God because he circumcised? No, because to assimilate with a God-given Diversity of culture, custom, tradition, etc, is not un-Godly, but it is un-Godly to discriminate against those who circumcise by calling them non-believers.

You know nothing about the teachings of Diversity and Democracy that are taught by the Qur’an in culture, custom, tradition, etc? This is because you do not believe that “Allah created different nations/tribes of (different sights/sounds of different cultures, customs, traditions, socio-economical and political affiliations, etc) from a single male and female”. You believe Allah created them from the chimpanzee.

Likewise, the Prophet Muhammad (s) and Prophet Jesus “fell on their face” in Salaat, because it is Creed of Abraham, not because they followed Hadith.

See brother, you have a lot to learn about how to use the Qur’an as a Criterion to establish the Truth and Falsehood of Hadith, your science books, your Arabic dictionary, etc. Time and again you have been told on this forum by many members not to discard all Hadith but only those Hadith that do not collaborate with the Qur’an and that it is not important to learn Arabic to understand the Qur’an but you are stubborn accept such a knowledge of the Qur’an according to the worldview teachings of Tawhid (unity and universality). You believe only what you think is right like the sects of religion who believe only their teachings are right and all others are wrong.

You hardly believe in anything, the Qur’an wants you to believe. For example, you do not believe that Allah created all humans from one single male and female. You believe early humans who evolved from the chimpanzee gave rise to us as caliph (successors) of early human beings and not “vicegerent” and “friends” of God to “inherit and rule the earth” by “inheriting the Qur’an”, and when you are asked where are the early humans we succeeded you claim they are Jinns who live in the outskirts of our towns and villages. What nonsense?

And, likewise, you do not believe in the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (s), and likewise, you do not believe that the Prophet Muhammad (s) “fell on his face” in salaat like Jesus. And similarly, you do not relate human life to “natural laws of the different dominions of the heavens and the earth” because you do not believe in polygamy. You say that polygamy is allowed in peace time only. Where is it written in the Qur’an that this is so. And your knowledge of the LGBT is totally contrary to the knowledge of the Qur’an. And so on.

Many people on this forum are not like you. They do not follow Parwez and company blindly like you do. They question what they believe. You do not only believe that that the knowledge of the Qur’an should depend on the knowledge of your science books but it should depend largely on the Arabic language yet it is clearly professed that “The analysis of error begins with the analysis of language because we perceive Reality through words and if we do not have a clear meaning of a word, our perception of Reality becomes fuzzy”.

You said: “……………..,, when the Qur'an clearly sates what creeds Abraham believed/did and they have nothing to do with the Qur'an.”

Are you then saying that Allah’s commandment to the Prophet Muhammad (s) to “follow the Creeds of Abraham” is a meaningless commandment by Allah? And that everybody that state that Jews, Christians and Muslims belong to the ABRAHAMIC FAITH are crazy?

I now know that like the Mullahs you limit the teachings of Tawhid (unity and universality) to the teachings of ONE GOD only. You do not believe in the worldview teachings of Tawhid (unity and universality) as cardinal teachings and Islam.

Tell me which teachings of the Creeds of Abraham I have listed in my initial Post is not supported by the knowledge of Qur’an and I will give you the verses of the Qur’an that support it.

Best Regards,
AK Sayed (South Africa).

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Why the "millat of Ibrahim"?
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 12 July 2018, 9:45 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 13 July 2018, 7:51 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 14 July 2018, 10:53 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 16 July 2018, 8:10 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 7:07 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 18 July 2018, 7:48 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 19 July 2018, 8:43 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 19 July 2018, 5:28 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 20 July 2018, 1:54 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 20 July 2018, 5:25 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 21 July 2018, 4:35 am
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JAWAID AHMED -- Sunday, 22 July 2018, 1:59 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Monday, 23 July 2018, 1:16 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 23 July 2018, 5:28 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 24 July 2018, 8:44 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 25 July 2018, 7:40 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 25 July 2018, 4:44 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 26 July 2018, 7:43 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 26 July 2018, 5:16 pm
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