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Re: Why the "millat of Ibrahim"? (Jawaid Ahmed, uk
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Monday, 16 July 2018, 8:10 am
In Response To: Re: Why the "millat of Ibrahim"? (Jawaid Ahmed, uk (A Sayed (South Africa))

Deen encompasses two laws: one is the laws that Allah created when He created the universe and govern the workings of this universe and the other is the laws that govern human beings, the do’s and don’ts, values that are in the Quran. Reading your posts, I think we agree on this.

Where we differ is the working of these laws, particularly the natural ones. We find in the Quran that Allah’s laws are changeless:

30:30 Therefore, devote yourself to the Upright Religion turning away from all that is false. Such is the natural aim of God’s creation of humans. And God’s laws of creation never change. This is the perfect Religion but most people do not know. [Deen = Divinely prescribed System of Life. God has initiated the Universe with a sublime Plan wherein all things are committed to His laws, and mankind being a part of the Universe and given free will must live by His laws]

We do not find natural laws being broken or else there would be two gods running the universe:

21:22 If there were other gods besides God, there would have been chaos in both (the heavens and earth). Glorified is God, the Lord of Supreme Control, above all that they contrive. [3:84, 6:3, 16:51, 39:67]

What you are proposing is that Allah changes His laws when it suits His purpose or there is a natural law that produces an unnatural event. Virgin birth is a classic example of putting natural laws that apply to lower life forms, plants and bacteria, and attributing them to human beings in order to justify a false belief. False beliefs should be dropped in favour of truth. Does Allah say anywhere in the Quran that man can be formed in this way or goes He repeatedly say we are produced by the reproductive process?

There is nothing natural about virgin birth in humans or Revelation. To believe this you have created a second false god that works according to your will and understanding.

All humans have beliefs that make them happy but this does not mean they are right. You must judge them by an ultimate Criterion which is the Quran and when this is against what you believe then……

5:49 So judge between them by what God has revealed. And do not follow their vain desires. Beware of them, lest they divert you from some of what God has revealed to you. If they turn away from the truth, be assured that God has decided to chastise them for some of their crimes. A great many people drift away from the right path.

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Why the "millat of Ibrahim"?
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 12 July 2018, 9:45 am
Re: Why the "millat of Ibrahim"?
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 13 July 2018, 7:51 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 14 July 2018, 10:53 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 16 July 2018, 8:10 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 7:07 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 18 July 2018, 7:48 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 19 July 2018, 8:43 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 19 July 2018, 5:28 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 20 July 2018, 1:54 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 20 July 2018, 5:25 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 21 July 2018, 4:35 am
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JAWAID AHMED -- Sunday, 22 July 2018, 1:59 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Monday, 23 July 2018, 1:16 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 23 July 2018, 5:28 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 24 July 2018, 8:44 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 25 July 2018, 7:40 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 25 July 2018, 4:44 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 26 July 2018, 7:43 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 26 July 2018, 5:16 pm
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Shad Usa -- Friday, 13 July 2018, 8:30 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 27 July 2018, 8:33 am