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Sick Hadith marrying 6year old girls
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Thursday, 14 June 2018, 9:41 am
In Response To: Re: Saudi Prince pays $50 million dollars dowry (Jamal Akhtar, Holland)

The absurd and appalling hadith about the last Messenger marrying child brides are a sickness the muslims have not vommitted out of their indoctrinated, deaf, dumb and blind beliefs.

The Walking Quran read in the Quran that marriage is a binding contract that can only be entered into by a mentally mature person; ADULT.

The Walking Quran read in the Quran that marriage is to women, never to females or girls;ADULT

Read the Quran or continue to exist in a jahil state:

27. Age Of Ayesha At Time Of Marriage
6 Years Young!
Please re-note that any criticism of the hadith is not criticism of the Messenger as the two are not the same; the hadith came 250 years after the Messenger died and are attributed to him by those who never met him, neither did the narrator of the hadith. They are only hearsay, Chinese whispers, and “it has been narrated on the authority of so-and-so that the Messenger is reported to have said”.... So please do not tell me 100% true!
NORMAL MEN GAVE US THE HADITH AND THEY ARE NOT GODS TO BE OBEYED UNQUESTIONABLY!

The six-year-old bride is the shameful belief, as depicted in the hadith, that the Messenger married Aisha when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine. According to the ‘scholars’, for this to happen at nine she would have started her periods and technically she would be 'grown up'. I am not calling the Messenger a paedophile, but the hadith gives this impression, no matter what excuse you want to make for the act of marrying a child. No amount of self-deception can change this. Marriage, as advocated in the Qur’an, as we will see, is a contract between two people, hence the need for three witnesses. A contract can only be agreed to if you are of sufficient mental and physical maturity to understand what you are doing. To say that our beloved Messenger married a child takes ignorance and shamefulness to a new despicable level. It has given ammunition to the enemies of Islam to accuse him of being a paedophile, and if you hate this as much as I do then ask yourself what the alleged marrying of a six-year-old is then?

‘Scholarly’ Age Of Maturity
A well-known scholar of Islam, Dr Zakir Naik gave the following answer to the question: What does Islam specify as being coming of age?
Answer. (#DrZakirNaik): As far as rules of the different countries are concerned, in India the age of adulthood is 18, in Indonesia it is 19, in UK its 16 years of age. Every country the age maturity what the government or the people of that country or the law have set its different depending upon their own understanding. But in Islam fasting becomes compulsory, Salaat becomes compulsory, the acts of worship become compulsory once the person reaches the age of puberty. And there are basically three criteria, if anyone of these 3 criteria are fulfilled then the person is said to have reached the age of puberty.
1. Growth of coarse pubic hair around the private parts
2. The person reached the age of 15
3. There is emission of semen in a wet dream or otherwise. If it is female, then she starts her menstrual cycle. The day the girl starts her menstrual cycle, she is supposed to reach the age of puberty irrespective she may be below the age of 10.
[https://zakirnaikqa.wordpress.com/tag/age-of-adulthood/]
According to the scholars a girl is sufficiently mature to take responsibility for her actions at the time of puberty which can be 10 years old or less, a boy from around 12 years onwards but both are said to be mature at age of 15 if there are no 'signs'. Please note that the scholars make a person responsible for their actions at puberty, not 6 years old. Also ask yourself if a 10 year old menstruating girl is physically mature at this age. We know that girls stop growing between the ages of 16 to 18 years old, depending on when they started their periods; boys 18 to 20. If we extrapolate backwards then at what age are they considered to be physically and mentally mature enough to handle the stresses and strains of adulthood or marriage? People who have no religious agenda, those who actually think about a problem and come up with a decision based upon reason, have stated that girls and boys can be classed as adults at 16, 18 or 19. We can argue about why so much difference but we cannot argue over the lower age of 16 as this would be the sensible thing to do. When religious beliefs play a part in any decision sense cannot be side lined but practices must be based upon the same reason we are supposed to be endowed with, along with Guidance from Allah that is not corrupted by manmade ideas; the two, sometimes, do not make good bed partners. Religion at its worst can make you believe in absurdities and then you can act atrociously.
Let us look in more detail at what the Qur’an has to say about marriage and then we can judge whether a child was married or not, that is, we are going to judge the beliefs handed down by our ancestors by the light of the Qur’an; something the Qur’an says we should all be doing!

The Marriage Contract
We will come back to how a child can be married off according to the scholars/hadith/traditions later on, but here is what the Qur’an has to say about marriage which is a solemn covenant and is required before any physical relations can take place.
2:235 You do nothing wrong in announcing your engagement to (widowed or divorced) women or keeping it to yourselves. God knows that the community will think about them. But, never make a secret pledge or contract with them. Speak with them honourably and in recognized words. Do not tie the wedding knot nor sign the marital contract until the waiting period has ended. Know that God understands human psyche, and what is in your hearts. Take heed of Him and know that God is Forgiving, Clement.
4:19 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! It is not lawful for you to force women into marrying or holding on to them in marriage against their will. Pressuring women to remain in wedlock by threatening to take away the marital gift is forbidden. A wife could forfeit the right to the marital gift only if she has indulged in clear lewdness. You shall treat your wives nicely. Even if you dislike them, it may happen that God has placed much good in what you have failed to realize.
4:20 If you wish to marry another wife in place of your present wife, and you have given her a great deal, you shall not take back anything. Would you take it back by way of slander, a transgression that will drag down your own 'self'?
4:21 And how could you take the marital gift back from her after you have lived intimately with each other and after she has taken from you a very solemn pledge of the marital contract?
A solemn pledge means exactly that, a covenant between the man and woman to live as husband and wife, with all the rights and obligations that go with it. The marriage contract provides a strong bond which both must be able to understand and agree to.

Qur’an’s Age of Maturity
The Qur’an says that marriage is only when you have reached mental as well as physical maturity; old enough to make the right decision for one's self.
4:6 Train and educate the orphans well. When they reach the age of marriage, and attain sound judgment, release their property to them. The marriageable age shall mean attainment of physical and mental maturity when one can express free consent and make a solemn, legal contract (4:21). Do not consume their property, nor hastily spend it fearing that they will come of age. If the guardian is well off, let him claim no compensation for the management of the property. But, if he is poor he may have a just and reasonable compensation. When you are releasing the property to the orphans be sure to take witnesses. Remember that God is Competent in taking account.
rush'dan =sound judgement. From root R Sh D we get:
(istarshada fulanun li-amrih: that man found the right solution to his problem. (arshadtuhu I guided him to the right path. ar-rasheed: one who shows the right way (11:87), and also a person who can judge things rightly or whose estimates can reach their climax without any help or failure.
The traditional scholars say that it is fine to marry a six-year-old but would you give a six year old control or responsibility over of any business, wealth, or land? Do they have "sound judgement"? When it comes to these issues Muslims are only too keen to stick with the Qur’an and keep the orphans wealth for as long as possible, but when it comes to sex with children they are racing to hellfire by reducing this to an obscenely low age.
6:152 God commands you further: vi. Do not approach the wealth of the orphan except to improve it until they come of age with full maturity of body and mind. vii. Give full weight and full measure in all your dealings. Uphold justice in all aspects of your life. We do not assign any 'self' responsibility beyond its means (but to widen its potentials). viii. And when you give testimony, be just, even if it is against a relative. ix. Fulfil your Covenant with God, the unwavering allegiance to the Divine System. This He commands for you to bear in mind. [1:4-5, 9:111]

You can see from the above two verses, 4:6 and 6:152, that marriage is at an age of full maturity, but no specific year is given. What this means is that if the Islamic society wants to allow it at sixteen, eighteen or twenty-one years old then this option is available, the process of consultation between knowledgeable Muslims is fully permitted by the Qur’an for things that do not have a specific judgement given by Allah. What is not an option is six years old! Even the 'kafir' west has a sixteen year age limit for marriage! There is the frequent and increasing problem of underage sex but this is not the fault of the law on the age of consent for marriage but on the secular aspect of their societies; no morality, no civilisation.

Short Life Spans and Early Maturity
Have you heard the one about girls in hot climates ‘mature’ quicker so nine years old is not abnormal? What an excuse! It is a fact that in some primitive societies there is a reduced life span and history has shown us that the average age for people was at one time as low as thirty years old. Under these circumstances girls would marry at a young age, but always post puberty, in order to maintain the population but those having sex before their full physical and mental maturity were sometimes left in an abominable condition; High death rates from child birth to both mothers and babies was and still is all too common. Underage marriage did not solve the problem but made it worse. It is also the case that young men marry young girls, but the Muslim situation is illegitimatised by the older grandfather marrying his best friend's teenage daughter, with his daughter going to the other old fart! (Sorry for the language). It is no good saying that most societies used to have an early marriageable age due to the necessities of those times since we can use this excuse to bury our female daughters alive, walk around the Kaabah naked or any other pre-Islamic age of Jaahilyahh practice we have not so far returned to that is sanctioned by Bukhari etc. Speaking of this man, I have even found the following hadith from Bukhari that confirms that the Messenger knew when the age of maturity is because he forbade a fourteen year old boy from taking part in a battle but allowed him when he was fifteen.

Volume 3, Book 48, Number 832: Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle called me to present myself in front of him or the eve of the battle of Uhud, while I was fourteen years of age at that time, and he did not allow me to take part in that battle, but he called me in front of him on the eve of the battle of the Trench when I was fifteen years old, and he allowed me (to join the battle)." Nafi' said, "I went to 'Umar bin 'Abdul Aziz who was Caliph at that time and related the above narration to him, He said, "This age (fifteen) is the limit between childhood and manhood," and wrote to his governors to give salaries to those who reached the age of fifteen.
A boy cannot fight until fifteen but a girl can marry at six! If this applies to fighting then why not to marriage? Well, the Mullas would not get their young baby virgins, would they? Did the Messenger not ask the boy if his 'nuts' had dropped, examine his pubic hair or whether he had nocturnal emissions? If this had happened at the age of 12, two years previously then there was no reason for the Messenger to stop the ‘matured’ boy from going to war at 14; this is a nonsense understanding from Zakir Naik et al.

Surah 4 verse 19 above also states that marriage is to be freely consented to; there is no forcing or coercion on the woman or man to marry against their wills. How can a six or nine year old give their free consent to something they have no understanding about unless you have explained the physical process in detail to them? The alternative to full consent is force. Living with someone you have been forced to marry by your family just to ‘get rid of them’ is not a life that is going to be happy or fulfilling. Many backward Muslims still force their daughters to marry against their wills and it is the daughter's ‘family honour’ to stay silent! Allah is waiting brothers, Allah is waiting! When they cannot find a suitable person (or they do not want their wealth going to someone else) some families marry their daughters to the Qur’an! This is the same as Nuns, Christian women, ‘marrying Christ’ and living an unnatural celibate life. The paganism of others has become the Sunnah of us Muslims, praise be to Allah. Abu Bakr did not give Ayesha away in marriage at 6 years old so the above zalim acts of others do not apply to him, so do not think I am equating this to him.

Marry “WOMEN”
Yes, the Qur’an throughout says to marry women and never girls though from the following example you would never guess this from Yusuf Ali’s translation:
2:221Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: that they may celebrate His praise.

See how Yusuf Ali has inserted "your girls" in the verse and not "your women" which would be Qur’anically correct. This means that a man wishing to marry a non-Muslim should have her accept Islam before the marriage can take place. This conversion should be based on the person studying, understanding and then freely accepting Islam as a way of life and not saying they are Muslim just because of love for the Muslim man! Many mixed marriages are breaking down because of the clash of cultures and beliefs and it is usually the fault of men who marry because of only physical attraction and before the woman has time to fully understand what she is agreeing to. When lust outweighs mutual compatibility, the result can and usually is hell.
Another point worth mentioning about this verse is the marrying of believing women, no matter their status. The Qur’an has advocated marrying believing women but the caste system in some Muslim countries has made it impossible for the free marriage of people based on good morals and character and is totally opposed by the Qur’an, we are all children of Adam. Pakistan has the Hindu caste system to thank it for the problems of caste in this country, something the Mullas have not educated the masses about in their Jumma Khutbas!

Waiting Period For Those Without Periods
I have read on numerous websites a sick, perverted and most regrettable interpretation of the following verse of the Qur’an:
65:4 And those of your women who no longer expect menstruation or do not habitually menstruate, to resolve your doubts, their waiting period is ordained to be three months. For those who are pregnant, the waiting period ends when they deliver their burden. Anyone who remains conscious of Divine laws, He will make his matters easy for him. [Note the word Hamlahunna = Their burden = What they carry, - instead of 'their baby or child'. So, the term includes abortion, conditions such as moles, and all kinds of abnormal pregnancies and outcomes]
The waiting period is the time that a woman has to wait after divorce until she can remarry. Having this period makes it clear who the father is if she is pregnant and the Qur’an states the responsibility for looking after the mother and child until the child is two years old rests with the father. Now the sick twist; if women who do not menstruate have to do this then some have interpreted this to mean pre-pubescent girls so the Qur’an makes it defacto that pre-pubescent girls can be married!
From the Lughat of the Qur’an Nisa, comes from the root N-S-W ن س و
"اَلنِّسْوَۃُ" (an'niswatu), "اَلنِّسَاءُ" (an'nisaoo), "اَلنِّسْوَانُ" (an'niswanu) are all plurals of the word "اَلْمَرْاٰۃُ" (al-mar'atu) which means "one woman" and "اَلنِّسَاءُ" (an'nisaa'a) which means "more than one woman".
This word only exists in plural form as "اَلنِّسَاءُ" (an-nisa'a), "اَلنِّسْوَۃُ" (an-niswah) and "اَلنِّسْوَانُ" (an-naswan), and their used singular form does not come from the same literal root.
The Qur’an has used the term "نِسَاءٌ" (nisa'a) to mean "common women" as well as "wives".
2:187 your wives اِلٰی نِسَاءِکُمْ

Figuratively this word has been used for the group of people who are devoid of manliness. For details see Heading (Dh-B-H) and (B-N-W).
It has never been used for girls so the Qur’an is not addressing pre-pubescent girls but grown women who do not have regular periods. A simple understanding that can easily be arrived at if you do not have a sick, twisted agenda, both muslim and non muslim.

The Problem: Perverted and Preposterous Hadith
Let us look at what our "truthful" Bukhari has to say about Aisha and marriage.
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Messenger married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 163: Narrated 'Aisha:
The Messenger was screening me with his Rida' (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect.

According to the above gem from Bukhari, even Aisha knew she had not reached maturity before her marriage!
Consent For Marriage
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67: Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Messenger said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

Silence is all that is needed for permission!!!! When she cries it is only because she misses her family and not because a wrinkly seventy year old man is abusing her. What a lovely world Bukhari has made for us men! Do not worry, I am being sarcastic.
Responsibility For Consent To Marry
This appalling hadith, narrated in Muslim, allows a father or guardian to marry off their daughters to anyone they choose, going against the Qur’an's requirement for consent from the person undergoing the marriage! Just read the heading and shake your head in shame at what Muslims have written in the name of our Messenger:

Chapter 10: IT IS PERMISSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO GIVE THE HAND OF HIS DAUGHTER IN MARRIAGE EVEN WHEN SHE IS NOT FULLY GROWN UP Book 008, Number 3309:
'Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.

It is not surprising to find that from all the hadith tales and the history of Islam that there are various ages of Aisha at marriage. Depending on the source it can be shown that Aisha was sixteen, nineteen, twenty one or forty eight years old when she married. For example, Aisha's elder sister Asma has "given" a report that she was 10 years older than Aisha and that Asma was 31 when Aisha got married. Mishqat Sheikh Wali Ad-Deen Abi Abdallah Mohammad bin Abdal Khateeb wrote in his book Akmaal Fi Asma Al-Rijal:
Asma is the daughter of Abu Bakr Siddiq. She is the mother of Abdallah bin Zubair. When Islam came to Mecca, it is said that only 17 people accepted it. Asma was 10 years older than Ayesha. Asma's son Zubair's body was buried (after he was murdered), and after 10 or 20 days Asma bint Abu Bakr died at age 100. At this time it was 73 hijri. Lots of people have reported this (pg. 472).

If Asma's age at death was 100 then her age at Hijrah was 27 and because Ayesha was 10 years younger than Asma, at Hijrah Ayesha's age would have been 17. As she was married two years after Hijrah then she was married when she was 19 years old.
I believe these are a lot better than six years old but another more realistic account is that she was forty eight years old, the sister of Abu Bakr, not his daughter and a widow when she married the Messenger. This would agree with the Qur’an that advocates the marrying of widows and not young girls. When the Messenger was alive many converts were made from women who had been treated like slaves and second class citizens. A few had wealth of their own but most relied on the good graces of their husbands or masters. Under such circumstances woman left their husbands to join the Islamic society being created in Medina. Also, battles between Muslims and those opposed to the Messenger resulted in widows and so in order to stop the spread of corruption amongst unmarried or widowed women it was revealed in the Qur’an that other marriages were allowed. The Messenger apparently had other wives, up to the maximum four, and if this was true then it would have been on the bases of giving shelter and security to them and not for personal, physical satisfaction.
Why did the Messenger not have any children except from Khatija? According to a false hadith he had the "strength of thirty men" so what was he doing with it? In my opinion anyone associating the last Messenger of Allah with a six year old or having eleven wives is nothing but a rabid dog. Who are these corrupt people that believe in this obscenity and actually equate such writings with the pure Qur’an? I was informed that following the Iranian Revolution in the late 1970's the age of consent for marriage in Iran was lowered from sixteen years old to nine based upon the abominable hadith. Imagine if you had a nine year old, let alone a six year old daughter and were asked by a middle aged man to marry her, would you agree? Any self respecting father would beat a man asking such a thing. What was the purpose of writing this about our Messenger, if not to defame a noble messenger of Allah? He, and all other messengers of Allah, were examples for us to follow but where does despicable stories fit into this?
Let me summarise:-
1 Age 6years
2 Age 16 years
3 Age 48years old

These are the good, the bad and the ugly of the evidence we have; the ugly is the first, the bad, but not repugnant, is the second and the good is the last age. What do our Mullas propagate? No prizes for answering the first and if you cannot understand why they advocate child abuse instead of the Qur’anic verdict, then I am wasting my time. According to these same child abusers it is acceptable for a man to "play" with a child as long as he does not penetrate. No quotes here but the scholars of hadith may well enlighten you, if they dare!
To look at how low our ‘scholars’ have become I will tell you of an interview on the an Islamic satellite channel in England which had a programme about marriage. The scholar, a solicitor who was a revert (or more truthfully a rejecter of Qur’an) to Islam, stated that the marriage of the Messenger to a child, Aisha, must have had "some wisdom" behind it so instead of rejecting this abominable hadith he covered it with ‘wisdom’! How wise this man was to believe this but my comment to him is to enjoy this life while you are alive for your fate in the hereafter is hell fire! He has given up one set of false beliefs and has blinded himself by another and claims to be rightly guided! The Qur’an is ignored in favour of false hadith and books of Fiqh that make us companions of Shaitaan. If I offered him and the other abuser apologetics pork to eat, they would be repulsed by even the thought of this but their revulsion for pork is more than their nonexistent revulsion for the obscene hadith we find in their sahih hadith.

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