Our Beacon Forum

Re: Question on Hadith etc
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Wednesday, 30 May 2018, 10:45 am
In Response To: Question on Hadith etc (Mike Dennis, US)

Even longer e-mail, no apologies!

Quran rejects the Hadith

We have an explicit denial of following any hadith except for the hadith of Allah, the Quran:
As narrated by the Last Messenger, who heard it from Jibreel who received it from Allah:

45.1. Ha-Mim.
45.2. The revelation of the Book is from Allah the Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom.
45.3. Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe.
45.4. And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered (through the earth), are Signs for those of assured Faith.
45.5. And in the alternation of Night and Day, and the fact that Allah sends down Sustenance from the sky, and revives therewith the earth after its death, and in the change of the winds,- are Signs for those that are wise.
45:6 Tilka ayatu Allahi natlooha AAalayka bialhaqqi fabi-ayyi hadeethin baAAda Allahi waayatihi yu/minoona

I used to be of the opinion that whatever hadith agree with the Quran we can accept, then I read the above verses. We are not allowed to make the apparent sayings of Muhammad or any Imam a religious obligation, sunnah, not even 'good practice'; NO FOLLOWING HADITH EXCEPT THE QURAN. Added to the fact that they were recorded in Bukhari, 250 years after the reported saying and you can see what a mess we have made! But try telling that to the Bukharian idol worshippers.

So now I study the Quran and judge what practices that have come down to us by our ancestors are in not in agreement with this and reject them. If they say I can drive on the right side of the road, then we may decide ourselves if this is correct and I will drive on this side but we should not make it a religious obligation. Matters of faith are with Allah alone so I reject all hadith WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS REJECTING THE MESSENGER, so do not fall for this one.

Evangelical Preachers

Praise the Lord! Halleluiah! They do know how to speak as evidenced by the recent royal wedding we had in the UK.
Most people are not 100% liars, or we would spot them a mile away and they would not be able to ask “pray for me” which means give a good donation! So, when listening to them you may learn something, and motivational speeches lift the ‘spirit’ so we feel better, BUT, it is the lies they mix with truth that presents us with a problem, are we Quranically literate enough to judge what they say to not fall for their falsehoods?
I do listen to other religious preachers with the view to learn what they say and be in a position to answer them logically if and when the opportunity arises, intellectually, Quran centrically, but I would advise others to stay away. Especially if you have come from this background.


Hajj is an annual gathering for mankind to discuss the world affairs and sort them out. A Hajja is one who speaks, debates so when this goes on in Mecca, by all means go on hajj, until then stay away from the shirk practice it has become- stoning three idols! My God, why have we forsaken You!

Messages In This Thread

Question on Hadith etc
Mike Dennis, US -- Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 10:41 pm
Question on Hadith etc/For Jawaid Ahmed
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 10:44 pm
Re: Question on Hadith etc
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 30 May 2018, 10:45 am
Re: Question on Hadith etc
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Wednesday, 30 May 2018, 4:46 pm
Re: Question on Hadith etc
Mike Dennis -- Sunday, 10 June 2018, 8:05 am
Re: Question on Hadith etc
Mike Dennis -- Sunday, 10 June 2018, 8:18 am
Re: Question on Hadith etc
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 11 June 2018, 12:44 pm