Dear brother, you initiated the topic "Mary-the real accusation against her". I am not going away from the topic, I am simply asking you to be more explicit and clear when you wrote the following in the same thread: "The rabbis saw this as rebelling against their rules, the Temple, we see it as following revelation."
What is the REAL ACCUSATION against her? Rabbis must have seen her doing something? what did Rabbis see her doing based on which they concluded it to be a rebellious behavior at her part?
Rest assured, I will respond to all of your trivial questions. I just want you to state it clearly "what is Mary accused of, what did she do?" so that I could respond appropriately.