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Re: Virgin Birth Fan Club !
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Tuesday, 16 January 2018, 9:05 am
In Response To: Re: Virgin Birth Fan Club ! (Dawood, USA)

[66:12]: And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into it our spirit/energy/ruh, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Where does this verse say that Allah breathed into Mary and she conceived Jesus? IT DOES NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She believed the words of her Lord, not fell down with morning sickness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your abuse of context continues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would ask you to read the following but it will not help you!

Allah Breathed into Mary?

Yusuf Ali
21:91. And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

66:12. And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Allah breathed into Mary and she conceived Jesus is the wrong understanding of the above quotes! They do not say that Jesus was conceived in these or any other verse in context. Breathing in is referenced for the creation of mankind and some say it means life was given to man, others who have studied the topic say it means free will so we are getting closer to what happened to Mary:

15:28 Recall when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am about to create man out of sounding inorganic matter, (and then) out of hydrated clay.” [2:30-35, 7:11-22, 17:61, 19:21, 20:116-120]
15:29 And when I have perfected him in due proportion and breathed into him from My Energy, be of service to him.” [Note "from My Energy". So God gave humans 'something' from His Energy. That something is free will. 76:3]

In other words, when Allah ‘breathed’ into man, he did not become pregnant with ‘Eve’ so how can we say Mary become pregnant, or that breathing in is unique to Mary and Jesus is special?

I have quoted 66:12 and if we look at context we see that Allah is describing the righteous and unrighteous behaviour of people and then gets on to Mary. The context is doing good, Mary was chaste, of impeccable character, who then went on to follow the words of revelation that Jesus received to guide them. She was made aware of her free will to reject indoctrinated beliefs and practices and I repeat, having Jesus conceived by this breathing makes no contextual sense.

66:10 God cites an example for those who deny the truth. The wife of Noah and the wife of Lot, they were wedded to two of Our righteous servants yet each one betrayed her husband so that neither of them (their husbands) could avail them at all against God. And it was said, “Enter the fire along with others who enter it.”
66:11 And God gives an example for those who have chosen to be graced with belief: The wife of Pharaoh when she said, “My Lord! Build for me a mansion in paradise, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings, and save me from the oppressors.”
66:12 And Mary, daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, and We breathed into her (baby) from Our Energy. And she put faith in the Words of her Lord and His revelations, and was of the most devoted servants. [In very adverse circumstances, Mary guarded her chastity and revolted against the non-Divine institution of monasticism, and got married adopting the natural family life. ‘from Our Energy’ = Free will, as all human beings are granted. 2:30]

According to the following, human beings were already alive and reproducing before Allah ‘breathed’ into them, hence, all human beings are ‘breathed’ into. The result was self-awareness which is part of free will. This eliminates further the idea that breathing in means creation of life, Jesus or any other.

32:7 Who created everything in perfect balance. Thus He initiated the creation of the humans from hydrated inorganic matter.
32:8 Then He made him to be reproduced out of the essence of a mere fluid. [The inorganic matter was hydrated and life was initiated from its extract. Eventually, the evolution reached a point when procreation with male and female gametes was established. 37:11]
32:9 (Then emergent evolution took place that distinguished humans from the animal kingdom.) He shapes him in accordance with what he is meant to be, and breathes into him of His Energy. And thus (O Mankind) He gives you the faculties of hearing, sight, reasoning and feelings. Yet, how seldom are you grateful by making the best use of your perceptual and conceptual faculties! [Af’idah = Minds = Intellect = Faculty of reasoning including feelings. 17:36, 45:23, 46:26]

38:71 (The disputations began ever since mankind divided themselves for selfish tribal gains.) When your Lord said to the angels, “I am about to create a human being out of inorganic matter. [Angels = God’s forces in nature. 15:26-41]
38:72 And when I have designed him, and breathed into him of My Energy (given him free will) then be submissive to him.”
38:73 Thereupon the angels agreed to be subservient to him, all of them together. [Sajdah = Literally prostration, is due to God alone. So, the allegorical meaning here]

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