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Re: Elementary Fan Club ! (Jawaid Ahmed,uk)
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Monday, 15 January 2018, 11:17 pm
In Response To: Re: Elementary Fan Club ! (Jawaid Ahmed,uk) (Dr Shabbir, Florida)

Sir, my two cents are here: http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119249824

Before I begin highlighting my understanding of verse 6:101, some preliminaries for putting my thoughts in order.

1. verse 6:101

The word used in 6:101 for son/child is derived from wāw lām dāl. This word indicates a direct biological father/mother-son/daughter as well as biological ancestor relationship. In this process of procreation, a male and a female participate together to beget an offspring, a son or a daughter. This offspring is a biological inheritor of his/her parents and a person in his/her own right.

Fact 1: [112:1-4]: Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He (God) neither begets nor is born. Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

Fact 2: [2:117]: “Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.”

If the unique status of God is described by Fact 1, the absolute power and authority to initiate and originate the creation as well as the process through which His will and intentions are manifested is captured in Fact 2.

If someone (or a group) does not believe in the above facts, particularly, the fact 1, it could be because of deliberate falsehood and/or misunderstanding. Misunderstanding can be removed through logical arguments, thus, verses like 6:100-101, 72:3.

[6:100]: But they have attributed to Allah partners - the jinn, while He has created them - and they falsely attribute to Him sons and daughters. Exalted is He and high above what they attribute.

[6:101]: [He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a child/son when He does not have a female companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

Contrary to Fact 1, people are attributing partners to God in the form of His biological begotten sons/daughters in 6:100. God is simply reminding them, Nay, He has created them, the Fact 2.

In 6:101 a logic based on procreation as understood by us as well as Mary in 3:47 is presented, for to beget a biological child, both male and female are needed, since God is unique as per Fact 1, He does not have a female partner (a goddess) to beget a biological child. Yet, God reminds us in the same verse about His ability to Create Everything, including the origination, as well as subsequent creation. Thus, this part of the verse in no way contradict or constrained the remaining parts of the same verse or Fact 2, above.

Thus, in my humble opinion, verse 6:101 does not invalidate any of the conclusions I presented in my various posts on the subject.

Best Regards
Dawood

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Khalil Khan, Jamaica -- Monday, 8 January 2018, 4:28 pm
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abdalaziz ariff / indiana -- Monday, 8 January 2018, 12:39 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 8 January 2018, 8:42 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Sunday, 7 January 2018, 9:56 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 8 January 2018, 8:33 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 9 January 2018, 8:07 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 9 January 2018, 5:47 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 6:22 am
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Basirul Haq Sinha, Dhaka -- Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 4:50 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 5:06 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 8:18 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 11 January 2018, 8:54 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 12 January 2018, 7:07 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 12 January 2018, 3:42 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 12 January 2018, 4:11 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 12 January 2018, 10:11 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 13 January 2018, 10:52 am
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 15 January 2018, 8:37 pm
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Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Monday, 15 January 2018, 9:28 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 15 January 2018, 11:17 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 16 January 2018, 8:49 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 18 January 2018, 12:47 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 18 January 2018, 9:03 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 16 January 2018, 8:54 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 18 January 2018, 12:29 am
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ahmed -- Thursday, 18 January 2018, 9:11 am
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Dawood, USA -- Saturday, 20 January 2018, 1:37 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 20 January 2018, 9:37 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 11 January 2018, 2:39 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 9 January 2018, 12:16 am
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Tayo -- Tuesday, 9 January 2018, 5:34 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 6:25 am
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Khalil Khan, Jamaica -- Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 4:44 pm
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