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Re: Virgin Birth Fan Club!
By:Dr Shabbir, Florida
Date: Saturday, 6 January 2018, 4:07 pm
In Response To: Virgin Birth Fan Club ! (abdalaziz ariff / indiana)

VIRGIN BIRTH: One of the important injunctions of the Qur’an is that Allah makes Laws as He wills in the World of Command and enforces them in the World of Creation i.e. the Universe (7:54, 85:16). And then, He never changes them. The grand empire of human learning, development, invention, science and technology would have failed to come off ground if Allah’s physical Laws in the Universe were to keep changing. Pregnancy requires the union of the male and the female chromosomes. Allah never changes His Laws. Therefore, the idea of a virgin birth, although popular among the Christians and Muslims, is non-Qur’anic and absolutely erroneous.
THREE OF THE FOUR GOSPELS NAME 'JOSEPH CARPENTER' AS THE FATHER OF JESUS.
Jesus is referred to as son of Mary because his mother was more prominent and also because his father, Joseph the carpenter, died at an early age. The Bible also refers to Jesus as son of man and as son of David. In fact three of the four Gospels in their genealogies name Joseph as the father of Jesus. Mary was the first revolutionary and that too, a feminine voice, against the man-made institution of monasticism. As a custom, quite a few men have been popular by the name of a female member of the family. Examples: Umm Musa, not Abu Musa, Abu Hanifa, the Fatimi dynasty, Abdali son of Zarghoona, Aaron addressing Moses as "O Son of my mother!" etc.
Let us note here a few salient points for the sake of clear understanding.
 Mary was a descendant of Prophet Aaron. Even generations after a prominent person, it was customary to call the descendants by his or her name. In Luke 1:5 Elizabeth, the wife of Prophet Zachariah, is referred to as, “One of the daughters of Aaron”. Similarly, Mary is referred to as sister of Aaron in the Qur’an 19:28.
 In 19:22-23 Mary is shown grieving, then talking to her husband. Marrying him in violation of the sanctuary rules, lack of shelter and labor pains all add to her grief which she is expressing.
Now a few more important concepts given in the Qur’an that strongly negate the fallacy of the “virgin birth” of Jesus:
 Allah does all things according to His Laws (3:40,19:9) You will never find Allah’s Laws changing or deviating (6:34, 6:116, 10:64, 17:77, 18:27, 33:38, 33:62, 35:43, 40:85, 48:23)
 The example of Jesus, as far as God is concerned, is the same as that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be!", and he was (3:59)
 By Adam is meant all mankind (7:11)
 All humans are created from dust, then from a zygote, the union of male and female gametes. (Verses too many to mention).
 The Qur’an emphatically and repeatedly states that all human beings are procreated from both male and female chromosomes, without exception. (Again, verses too many to mention, but Surah Al-Baqarah should suffice).
 Even God won’t have an offspring since He never had a mate (6:101).
Verse 19:22 narrates of Mary moving far off from her village. Since Mary had broken the rules of the shrine, she and her family kept the marriage with Joseph carpenter confidential. [Incidentally, much of this information also appears in The Apocalypse of Peter, Gospel of Mary and The Secret Book of James]
The Qur’an describes Prophet Zakariya (Zacharias) and wife begetting Yahya a. s. against some odds but not against Allah's Laws. 3:40 Zacharias prayed to Allah, but then wondered, “My Lord! How could I have a son when old age has overtaken me already and my wife is barren?” He said, “So it will be, Allah does everything according to His Laws.” (The infertility in his wife was cured 21:90).
3:43 She (Mary) was told by angels to gather courage, quit monasticism, submit to the Command of her Lord and join her family for leading a normal life bowing to the design that Allah has ordained for people.
3:45 Angels said, “O Mary! Allah gives you the good news through a word from Him. ----.
3:47 Mary exclaimed! “O My Lord, How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?” He said, “Just as Allah creates everyone according to His Laws (3:40). When Allah decrees a matter, it starts happening.”
19:20 She said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? For, never have I been a loose woman!” (3:46, 19:28).
About 3:45-47 please note that Mary is only engaged to Joseph Carpenter and not yet married to Joseph.

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