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By:abdalaziz ariff / indiana
Date: Saturday, 6 January 2018, 5:32 am

Please excuse the length of the post.

Why there are verses in the Qur’an about Prophet Issa [as], Hazrat Mariam [ra] and her mother. Could it be - to agree with few truths, correct some semi-truths and totally reject many fake stories [ product of imaginative disorder ] in various Zoroastrian books, Jewish books and Christian books in circulation when Qur’an was revealed.

THE ULTIMATE VERSE TO DEBUNK THE VIRGIN BIRTH THEORY.

6:101Wonderful Originator of the heavens and earth; how can He have a son when He never chose for Himself a (Sahebah) mate? He creates all things (and does not procreate 112:3.) and He is the Profound Knower of all things and events.
[So, how could Mary have a son without a mate? God never changes His laws operative in the Universe. Amazingly, three of the four gospels mention Joseph the Carpenter as the father of Jesus]

QXP [vi]
3:33(The Qur’an is the Final Perfected guidance for all humanity. But God has elected Messengers before to convey His messages.) Indeed, God did choose Adam and Noah (Nooh), and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above all people of their times.
[Adam = Aadam = The human ancestor = The first Homo sapiens = Allegorically, Adami, the first humans = Mankind = Possibly a prominent early human = Perhaps a Prophet, but the chain of Prophets begins with Noah. See 4:163, 6:80-85]
3:34In one lineage. God is the Hearer, Knower of all things and events.
[Muhammad belongs to the same progeny of Abraham through Ishmael, and Jesus belongs to it through the family of ‘Imran. Now is related the truth about Jesus son of Mary. History has made fiction of these two great servants of God]
3:35The wife of ‘Imran prayed, “My Lord! I have dedicated the baby in my belly to You entirely (for the service of the temple). So accept from me. You are the Hearer, Knower.”
3:36When she delivered she said, “My Lord! I have delivered a female.” God knew best what she delivered; the male is not the same as the female. “I have named her Mary. I request Your protection for her and for her descendants from the rejected Satan.”
[The male she had prayed for could have not been like the outstanding daughter she was granted. This female would have a role that no male could have, in breaking the shackles of asceticism. As a ‘holy’ custom, a nun would either remain single, or rarely, would be allowed to marry one of the monks]
3:37Her Lord accepted her graciously. (Mary was dedicated to the temple) and He made her grow in purity and elegance, a gracious upbringing, under the guardianship of Zakariya (Zacharias). Whenever he entered the chamber of Mary, he found that she had food. (Knowingly) he asked, “O Mary! Where does this food come from?” She said, “It is from God.” God provides according to His laws, beyond reckoning.
[Zakariya was a Prophet of God and a distant uncle of Mary. ‘It is from God’… Visitors to the sanctuary serve the saints. Many of them bring gifts to get their vows fulfilled. Yasha in reference to God = Through His laws = Common mistranslation, ‘as He pleases’. Bighayiri hisaab = Beyond reckoning = Without account = Humans cannot reckon God’s Power of sustaining and providing the entire Universe. The last sentence of the verse cannot be a quote from Mary, as generally suggested, since she would not lecture a Prophet of God]
3:38This was when Zakariya prayed to his Lord, “My Lord! Bestow upon me from Your Presence the gift of goodly offspring. You are the Hearer of prayer.”
3:39While he was still praying in the chamber, angels announced to him, “God gives you the good news of a son, Yahya (John the Baptist) who would reiterate the Word of God, be a disciplined leader and a Prophet among those who set things right.”
3:40Zakariya prayed to God, but then wondered, “My Lord! How could I have a son when old age has overtaken me already and my wife is barren?” He said, “So it will be, God does everything according to His laws.”
[The infertility in his wife was cured. 21:90]
3:41Thankful, Zakariya asked, “My Lord! Give a message to me.” He said, “The message to you is that you shall not speak to people for three days (and nights), except by signs. Remember your Lord much and keep striving in His cause night and day.”
[19:10. Abstaining from speech would save the elderly couple from the embarrassing curiosity of people]
3:42(Mary kept a spotless character as she grew up.) Angels told her, “God has chosen you, given you a spotless character and given you distinction among the women of your times.”
[She guarded her chastity and built a strong moral character in very adverse circumstances. Many monks and devotees of temples used to harbor evil intentions against nuns. She was the first revolutionary feminine voice against the manmade institution of monasticism. 57:27]
3:43(Angels said to her), “Gather courage (quit monasticism), submit to the commands of your Lord and bow with those who bow to commands (Join your family for leading a normal life bowing to the design that God has ordained for mankind.)
3:44(O Messenger) We are revealing to you these events of the unseen history (so that you may dispel conjecture). You were not present with them when they threw their pens (casting lots) which of them should take charge of Mary (after Zakariya). And you were not present with them when they quarreled about it.
3:45Angels said, “O Mary! God gives you the good news through a word from Him. His name would be Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, held in honor in this world and among the ones close (to Me) in the Hereafter.
3:46He will speak to people while very young and after attaining full maturity with his faculties well intact.”
[‘Kahlan’ = After attaining full maturity = After age 40. See 46:15. Saalih= Doer of good, healthy]
3:47Mary exclaimed! “O My Lord, How shall I have a son when no man has (intimately) touched me?” He said, “Just as God creates everyone according to His laws (3:40). When God decrees a matter, it starts happening.”
[In the repressive society Mary had to keep her wedding confidential in the family]
3:48“And God will teach him the scripture and the wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel.”
3:49And He will be a Messenger to the Children of Israel. He will say to them, “I come to you with revelation from your Lord. If you follow me, I will raise you from dust to the heights of glory by the command of God (7:176). The blind among you will begin to see the truth. Those of you who are spotted with sin, I will heal them, and I shall grant real life to those who are just dragging on without purpose; all by God’s leave, according to His laws. I am here to establish justice and equity. I shall see to it how much you hoard in your houses and how much you spend on the community. My teachings are sufficient signs for you to believe.”
3:50“I confirm the truth in the Torah before me, and make permissible to you some of what was forbidden. I have come with your Lord’s revelation. Be mindful of His commands and heed me.”
[The Qur’an describes denial as a ‘disease’, calls the deniers ‘deaf, dumb and blind’ in 2:18, ‘diseased of the heart’ in 2:10 and ‘dead’ in 27:80. That is why the revelation, which is the truth, is called a ‘healing’ in 41:44. Tayir = Omen = Destiny = Registration of deeds = Fleet-footed horse = Bird. 2:260, 5:110, 6:38, 7:131, 17:13, 27:16, 24:41, 27:47]
3:51“God is my Lord and your Lord, so obey Him. That is the straight path.”
3:52(This is what the angels had told Mary. Then Jesus was commissioned as a Prophet.) As he sensed their rejection, he called out, “Who are my supporters towards God?” The disciples said, “We are God’s supporters, we believe in God, so bear witness that we are submitters (Muslimoon).”
3:53They said, “Our Lord! We believe in what You have revealed and we follow the Messenger. So make us live as the living witnesses to the truth.”
3:54They (the opponents) made some plans, but so did God. God is the most Virtuous of planners.
[They schemed to arrest and crucify Jesus but God assured him]
3:55God said, “O Jesus! I will cause you to die of natural causes, will exalt you in My Sight and will clear you of the slander of the disbelievers. And I will cause those who truly follow you to dominate those who are rejecting you, until the Day of Resurrection. Eventually, all of you will return to Me. Then I will judge among you about that wherein you used to differ.”
[Wafaat = Dying of natural causes. Rafa’ = Exalt = Raising in honor. Ilayya = To Me = Allegorically, in My Sight. God being Omnipresent is not confined to the heavens]
3:56Those who disregard faith (in God’s laws of nature), I shall cause them to suffer in this world and in the Hereafter. Nor will they have any helpers.

The Jewish high priests knew very well that Hazrat Mariam [ra] was married to Joseph , the carpenter. Hazrat Isa [AS] was their child. When Hazrat Mariam [RA] took him to the temple when he was grown up, the high priest let them in. Had he not been a legitimate child, they would not let them inside the temple. When the Christian started claiming about virgin birth drama, they started insulting the character of Hazrat Marim [ra]. See some samples below.

Talmud
Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
"Jesus was a bastard born of adultery." (Yebamoth 49b, p.324).
"Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man." (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).
"Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress". (Shabbath 104b, p.504).

Could it be for the above reason that the following verse was revealed.

66:12And Mary, daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, and We breathed into her (baby) from Our Energy. And she put faith in the Words of her Lord and His revelations, and was of the most devoted servants.
[ thru marriage people guard their chastity ]---my 2 cents [very limited brain]!

1. Few Samples from apocryphal Christian books.

THE INFANCY GOSPEL OF JAMES [ partial ]
CHAPTER 1
(1) In the histories of the twelve tribes of Israel, Joachim was an extremely rich man. (2)
He always brought a double offering to the Lord, (3) telling himself, "My offering for all
the people is from my surplus and my own offering to the Lord God is for forgiveness, to
atone for my sins."
(4) As the great day of the Lord was drawing near and the children of Israel were
bringing their offerings, however, (5) Reubel stood in his way, saying, "You cannot offer
your gifts first because you have not conceived a child in Israel."
CHAPTER 2
(1) Then, his wife Anna mourned and lamented greatly for two reasons, saying, "I lament
that I am a widow and I lament that I am childless."
CHAPTER 4
(1) Suddenly, an angel of the Lord stood in front of her, saying, "Anna, Anna, the Lord
God has heard your prayer. You will conceive and give birth and your child will be
spoken of everywhere people live."
(2) And Anna said, "As the Lord God lives, whether I give birth to either a male or a
female child, I will bring it as an offering to the Lord my God and it will be a servant to
him all the days of its life."
CHAPTER 5
(5) And his wife's pregnancy came to term. After nine months, Anna gave birth (6) and
she said to the midwife, "What is it?"
(7) The midwife said, "A girl."
(8) Anna said, "My soul exalts this day." And she put her baby to bed.
(9) After her days were completed, Anna cleansed her menstrual flow (10) and gave her
breast to the child and gave her the name Mary.
CHAPTER 7

(4) When the child turned three, Joachim said, "Let's call the pure women of the
Hebrews. (5) Let them take up lamps and light them so that the child will not turn back
and her heart will never be led away from the temple of the Lord." (6) And they did these
things until they went up to the temple of the Lord.
(7) And the priest welcomed her. Kissing her, he blessed her and said, "The Lord God
has magnified your name for all generations; (8) through you the Lord will reveal
deliverance to the children of Israel in the last days."

CHAPTER 8

(3) When she turned twelve, a group of priests took counsel together, saying, "Look,
Mary has been in the temple of the Lord twelve years. (4) What should we do about her
now, so that she does not defile the sanctuary of the Lord our God?" (5) And they said to
the high priest, "You have stood at the altar of the Lord. Go in and pray about her. And if
the Lord God reveals anything to you, we will do it."
(6) And the priest went in taking the vestment with twelve bells into the holy of holies
and prayed about her. Suddenly, an angel of the Lord stood before him, saying,
"Zachariah, Zachariah, depart from here and gather the widowers of the people and let
each one carry a staff. (8) And the one whom the Lord God points out with a sign, she
will be his wife."

CHAPTER 9
(1) Throwing down his ax, Joseph went out to meet them. (2) And after they had gathered
together with their rods, they went to the high priest. (3) After receiving everyone's rod,
the high priest went into the temple and prayed. (4) When he was finished with the
prayer, he took the rods and went out and gave them to each man, (5) but there was no
sign among them. Finally, Joseph took his rod. (6) Suddenly, a dove came out of the rod
and stood on Joseph's head. (7) And the high priest said, "Joseph! Joseph! You have been
chosen by lot to take the virgin into your own keeping."

The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus, the Christ [ partial ]

CHAPTER 1
11) When Mary reached the age of womanhood she was betrothed to Joseph, son
of Jacob, and a carpenter of Nazareth.
12) And Joseph was an upright man, and a devoted Essene.

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