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Re: NO Virgin Birth (TO ALL)
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 3:12 pm
In Response To: Re: NO Virgin Birth (TO ALL) (A Sayed (South Africa))

I have answered some of your problems but there is no verse saying God breathed into her and she conceived as a result of this!

If you are saying jesus had no earthly father then God becomes the father. DO NOT BRING USELESS SEMANTICS ABOUT 'BE', if God did the business then He had a son, which the Quran vehemently denies.

IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES, GOD STATES “HE BREATHED INTO HER HIS ENERGY” and this is then DIRECTLY LINKED to REVELATION, this means His energy was words of revelation, not fertilised egg:

21:91 And remember her (Mary) who guarded her chastity. We breathed into her of Our Energy, and caused her, together with her son, to become a symbol for all people.
66:12 And Mary, daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, and We breathed into her from Our Energy. And she put faith in the Words of her Lord and His revelations, and was of the most devoted servants.

IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES, GOD STATES THAT HE DID THE SAME TO ADAM WHEN HE CREATED HIM FROM SOUNDING CLAY, and this again is directly linked to understanding and following guidance [reasoning and service:

32:9 He shapes him in accordance with what he is meant to be, and breathes into him of His Energy. And thus He gives you the faculties of hearing, sight, reasoning and feelings.
15:29 And when I have perfected him in due proportion and breathed into him of My Energy, be of service to him.“

THERE IS SIMILITUDE BETWEEN BIRTH OF JESUS AND THAT OF ADAM, because mankind developed to reproduce sexually:

3:59 With God, the example of Jesus is that of Adam who was created from dust and then evolved through different stages of life (22:5, 30:20). He created him (the human) beginning from inorganic matter, then He said to him, “Be! And he is.”
3:47 Mary exclaimed! “O My Lord, How shall I have a son when no man has (intimately) touched me?” He said, “Just as God creates everyone according to His laws (3:40). When God decrees a matter, it starts happening.”

EVERYTHING IN 'PAIRS'

35:11 (Recall your common humble origin.) God created you from dust, then from male and female gametes, and then He makes you pairs. And no female becomes pregnant, nor gives birth without His knowledge (according to His appointed laws in nature, without exceptions). No one lives long, and no one lives short, but by His laws. All this is easy for God. [3:144. Nutfah = Gamete, male or female. Commonly misunderstood as sperm or semen, it is a common gender]

36:36 Glory to Him Who has created pairs of everything that the earth grows, and of themselves, and of things they have no knowledge yet. [This discovery of all things existing in pairs earned the British physicist Paul Dirac the Nobel Prize in 1933]

42:11 Originator of the heavens and the earth! He has given you mates of your own kind; and mates among the cattle. By this means He multiplies you (creation). However, there is nothing whatsoever like unto Him. And He is the Hearer, the Seer.
49:13 O Mankind! Indeed, We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes so that you might (affectionately) come to know one another. Surely, the most honoured among you, in the Sight of God, is the one who is best in conduct. Indeed, God is Knower, Aware.
[Min zakarinwwa untha = Of a kind that is male, and of a kind that is female = Male and female = Some of you are men and some of you are women. On this note I find myself in agreement with M. Pickthall 39:6]
51:48 And We have spread out the earth, and how excellent a Spreader We are!
51:49 And all things We created in pairs and in opposites (such that one complements the other), so that you may reflect.
53:45 And that He it is Who creates the two companions, the male and the female (pairs and opposites among His creation),
53:46 From gametes that unite.

"Pairs", "mates", we do not need "Grays Anatomy" to work this one out! Here Allah confirms that all human beings are born from the union of pairs, male and female. If you take the meaning that Jesus did not have a natural father then you are, may Allah forgive you, contradicting what Allah has said in these verses!

Furthermore, does not "ib’nay adama" in 5:27 state that Cain and Abel were “two sons of Adam” and not any “two descendants of mankind?....”.

You are a son of a gun, not a cross between an AK47 and your mother but this is a jocular or affectionate way of addressing or referring to someone. Sons on adam, children of man, human beings, why muddle this up with biblical misunderstanding when an Arabic phrase is used to mean two human beings?

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Re: Virgin Birth
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 8:59 am
Re: NO Virgin Birth
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 3:06 pm
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abdalaziz ariff / indianapolis -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 11:25 pm
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Tahir Canada -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 12:05 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 7:09 am
Re: NO Virgin Birth (TO ALL)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 3:12 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 11:23 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 4:48 pm
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shahalam, TX -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 10:01 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 22 December 2017, 8:18 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Monday, 25 December 2017, 1:03 pm
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shahalam, TX -- Tuesday, 26 December 2017, 5:35 am
Re: Virgin Birth (TO ALL)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 8:52 am
Re: Virgin Birth
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 3:47 pm