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Re: NO Virgin Birth (TO ALL)
By:A Sayed (South Africa)
Date: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 7:09 am
In Response To: Re: NO Virgin Birth (Dr Shabbir, Florida)

TO ALL: AA. The intention of this discussion is to bring about unity of knowledge of Qur’an to all Muslims.

IN SURAH MARYAM, THE STORY OF MARY IS AS FOLLOWS:

19:16 (O Prophet) make mention of Mary in the Book when she withdrew from her people to an eastern location. [She left the sanctuary and went to her village in Galilee] َ
19:17 (Since she was not used to mixing with people), she had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent to her Our angel that appeared to her in the shape of a wellmade human being. [Angels never appear in this world in physical form, so, fatamathalaha = ´that appeared to her in a dream´. 6:8, 16:33, 25:22] 487 ا
9:18 She exclaimed, “Surely, I seek refuge in the Most Gracious that you may be righteous.”
19:19َ He said: I am only a Messenger of your Lord who says, “I shall bestow upon you the gift of a son endowed with a spotless character.” [See 3:45]
19:20 She said, “How can I have a son when no man has ever (intimately) touched me? For, I am not unchaste.” [3:46, 19:28]
19:21The angel answered: Thus it is - Your Lord says, “It is easy for Me, so that We make him a symbol for people and a grace from Us. And it is a thing decreed.” [3:46-47. A symbol - of belief and disbelief. A grace - revelation] ا
19:22 And in time she conceived him and withdrew with him to a far-off place, (Bethlehem).
19:23 And when labor pains drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree, she exclaimed, “Ah, I wish I had died before this, and had become a thing forgotten, utterly forgotten!” [Mary appears to be talking to herself] ا ًّ
19:24 A voice came to her from beneath the palm-tree, “Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a stream beneath you.” [Probably Joseph´s voice] ا
19:25 “And shake the trunk of the palm-tree towards you. It will drop fresh ripe dates upon you.” 488 ِ
19:26 “Eat then and drink, and let your eyes be gladdened! And if you see any human being, convey this to him, ´Indeed, I have made a vow of silence for the Beneficent. So, I may not speak to any person today.
19:27 Later, she returned to her people carrying the child with her. They said, “O Mary! You have come with an amazing thing (breaking the rules of the shrine).
19:28 “O Sister of Aaron! Your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother a woman unchaste, nor did she ever oppose the system.” [“Sister of Aaron”, See Author´s Note above. ´Baghyya´ carries both meanings given at the end.]
19:29 Then she pointed to him. They said, “How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?” [Mary and Joseph had lived in Bethelhem for years. ´In the cradle´, idiomatically means a young person. In 19:31 he promises to establish the Divine System and set up the Just Economic Order. Can a child say that?]

IN 19:16 WE ARE TOLD IN BRACKET, SHE LEFT SHRINE AND WENT TO HER VILLAGE IN GALILEE.
IN 19:22 QUR’AN STATES THAT AFTER SHE CONCEIVED SHE WENT TO (Bethlehem). (If she conceived in Galilee before she left for Bethlehem, her people would have known that she was married. Likewise, they did know she left the shrine and was now living with her husband).
IN 19:27 SHE RETURNS TO HER PEOPLE IN GALILEE. (Then why are they accusing her of breaking the rules of the shrine? And when she returns home, SHE IS CARRYING, I REPEAT CARRYING, A CHILD, definitely cradle does not mean young person here).

IN 19:24 Why do we have to say, “Probably Joseph’s voice”. Does not the Qur’an makes things clear?

IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES, GOD STATES “HE BREATHED INTO HER HIS ENERGY”:

21:91 And remember her (Mary) who guarded her chastity. We breathed into her of Our Energy, and caused her, together with her son, to become a symbol for all people.

66:12 And Mary, daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, and We breathed into her from Our Energy. And she put faith in the Words of her Lord and His revelations, and was of the most devoted servants.

IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES, GOD STATES THAT HE DID THE SAME TO ADAM WHEN HE CREATED HIM FROM SOUNDING CLAY:

32:9 He shapes him in accordance with what he is meant to be, and breathes into him of His Energy. And thus He gives you the faculties of hearing, sight, reasoning and feelings.

15:29 And when I have perfected him in due proportion and breathed into him of My Energy, be of service to him.“

THERE IS SIMILITUDE BETWEEN BIRTH OF JESUS AND THAT OF ADAM:

3:59 With God, the example of Jesus is that of Adam who was created from dust and then evolved through different stages of life (22:5, 30:20). He created him (the human) beginning from inorganic matter, then He said to him, “Be! And he is.”

3:47 Mary exclaimed! “O My Lord, How shall I have a son when no man has (intimately) touched me?” He said, “Just as God creates everyone according to His laws (3:40). When God decrees a matter, it starts happening.”

Furthermore, does not "ib’nay adama" in 5:27 state that Cain and Abel were “two sons of Adam” and not any “two descendants of mankind?....”.

Best Regards,
AK Sayed (South Africa).

Messages In This Thread

Re: Virgin Birth
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 8:59 am
Re: NO Virgin Birth
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 3:06 pm
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abdalaziz ariff / indianapolis -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 11:25 pm
Re: NO Virgin Birth
Tahir Canada -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 12:05 am
Re: NO Virgin Birth (TO ALL)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 7:09 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 3:12 pm
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 11:23 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 4:48 pm
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shahalam, TX -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 10:01 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 22 December 2017, 8:18 am
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A Sayed (South Africa) -- Monday, 25 December 2017, 1:03 pm
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shahalam, TX -- Tuesday, 26 December 2017, 5:35 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 8:52 am
Re: Virgin Birth
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 3:47 pm