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Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
By:Tayo
Date: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 3:26 am
In Response To: Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk) (Dawood, USA)

Peace Bro. Dawood,please go back to Sura49:13,please read it,after doing so,I ask you one question,do you believe it? If your answer is yes.Can you show me where it makes any exception to humans from that time coming into existence,by any means other than procreation, by way of a male and female?
If you agree with that verse "MINUS YOUR PRIVATE UNDERSTANDING", we have no disagreement ,as the verse clearly explains itself.

But if you disagree,then you have to accept all the Pagan ideas of "VIRGIN BIRTHS, EXAMPLE OSIRIS,KRISHNA,MITHRA ETC., I think Bro.Jawaid has made it clear from the verses he quoted ,but you have your "PERSONAL WAY OF SEEING THINGS YOUR WAY",example Sura 6:87, you say could mean Uncles etc., but what proof do you have that in this verse that is the meaning,as I don't see that making much sense,go back to verses 83,84 was Abraham Isaac and Jacob's Uncle and grand uncle?No he was their father and grandfather. Was Dawood(David) Sulaiman's (Solomon) Uncle? He was his father. Verse 85 Was Zakariyya Yahya's (John) Uncle? No, he was his father.

Verse 86 will also infer the Prophets mentioned Fathers also, from what we saw in verses 83-85. Now you can clearly see that verse 87 cannot mean Uncles,but Fathers.I agree that some Arabic words can have different meanings,but when the verses plainly show Fathers/Grandfather, why would you suggest it can mean Uncles etc., as they are very clear.

Look at a good example Prophet Solomon, and the Naml,so many translations say "ANTS",but not all ,some translate as Dr.Shabbir in QXP, as the word can mean ants and also a tribe of people,tell me how logical for Solomon riding a horse seeing an ant ,and also speaking to it? We have to use our intellect and when words have different meanings we have to look at all the verses,and we get a clear understanding.

Awaiting your reply,and in closing the "Virgin birth" story from the Bible was not there until the late 2nd century CE.Matthew1:23,is misleading as Isaiah says "A YOUNG WOMAN" NOT "A VIRGIN",that is a deliberate misleading translation by Christians. I have a book by a Jewish Scholar ,who points out the "Virgin Birth Mistranslation",he also demolishes the Christian claim that the book of Isaiah foretells the crucifixion of Jesus,more on that in another Post.

I have a question for you ,the Bible in Luke 1:32,says Jesus will be given the throne of David his father(Forefather),if Jesus had a virgin birth how could this be,when his mother was a Levite,but take a look at Luke2:4,says Joseph was of the house and lineage of David.You figure that one out. The New Testament writers were very careless,one example Paul speaking about the "TWELVE" right after "THE SUPPOSED CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS ,WHEN THE GOSPEL SAID JUDAS WAS DEAD." More on that in another Post. Tayo Pa

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Re: Millat of Ibrahim
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 30 November 2017, 4:35 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 8 December 2017, 6:27 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 9 December 2017, 2:55 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 9 December 2017, 4:04 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 9 December 2017, 6:38 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 11 December 2017, 9:06 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 12 December 2017, 11:21 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 13 December 2017, 8:48 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 14 December 2017, 10:32 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 15 December 2017, 3:10 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 1:37 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 8:35 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 11:44 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 1:11 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 8:34 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 22 December 2017, 8:20 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Tayo -- Saturday, 16 December 2017, 2:37 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 11:40 pm
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Tayo -- Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 3:26 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 21 December 2017, 12:56 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
Tayo -- Friday, 22 December 2017, 12:24 am
Re: Millat of Ibrahim (Jawaid Ahmad, uk)
dawood, usa -- Sunday, 24 December 2017, 5:48 pm