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Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK)
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Saturday, 9 December 2017, 3:30 pm
In Response To: Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK) (Dawood, USA)

meanings of “Sujood” from heavens and earth but not from prophets who came to teach the book.

Did Messengers submit to and follow what Allah had revealed to them or not? They did and that is why they are in the same category as all in the heavens and earth that submit willingly and/or naturally, that is, programmed in genes or ‘obedient’/following natural laws of universe as created by Allah. This is not metaphorical but literal verses giving you a simple explanation of how to understand these concepts.

Once again you fail to understand a simple sentence. Let me repeat:

If the Quran does not speak about an act, for example circumcision or a set of rituals done in poojah prayer, then you can do them if you want but you cannot tell me or anyone else that it is a commandment from Allah, a ‘hidden revelation’, a must do tradition/creed from Abraham or anything else that makes it a religious obligation. You making it a religious obligation means not doing it is a sin, an haram act when you have no authority to do so.

The Quran can only confirm something if it is mentioned in it, so anything else is not confirmed, not compulsory, not from Allah:

3:1 A.L.M. Alif-Laam-Meem. (Allah, Lateef the Unfathomable, Majeed the Magnificent, states that),
3:2 God, there is no god but He, the Living, the Self-Subsistent Lord of the Universe proclaims that:
3:3 He is the One Who has sent down this Book to you (O Messenger) in absolute truth, confirming the authentic in what He has revealed before. He is the One Who revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
[The Qur'an confirms only the Divine origination of the Bible, but it strongly points to the extensive human touch in the Old & New Testaments. Check the following verses: 2:75, 2:78-79, 2:101, 3:70-71, 3:78, 3:186-187, 5:13, 5:41, 6:91-92, 9:31]

Obligation is only following what is revealed in the Quran or else it tells you what you are:

2:165 Yet, among mankind there are those who choose others as equals to God. They love them as they should love God. But the believers are staunch in their love for God. Oh, if the transgressors could see themselves when they face the doom - They would then realize that all power belongs to God alone and that God is Stern in punishment. [3:30-31, 7:3. In the Qur’an, reverence or love of God invariably denotes obeying His commands. Hubb = Love = Adoring by obeying = To revere by following commands. Nidd = False god = One who tries to play god. Example: Pharaoh tried to equal God 43:51. Andaad = Those who play god = Political tyrants = Religious leaders who issue edicts contrary to the Divine revelation. God being stern in punishment means His laws of Requital favoring none]
2:166 Then those who were followed (the political and religious leaders) will renounce their followers, as soon as they see the impending doom, and all their mutual bonds will be rent asunder.
2:167 The followers will say, “If a return were possible for us, we would renounce them as they have renounced us.” Thus will God let them experience their own deeds as anguish; but they will not emerge from the fire of Regret.
2:168 (Declaring things permissible or forbidden is trying to ‘rival’ God.) O Mankind! Partake and enjoy the lawful, good and wholesome things of the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Satan. Indeed, he is an open enemy to you. [Satan, the rebellious desires, and satanic people lead people into transgressing. Mubeen = Open = Obvious = Known. 7:22]
2:169 He teaches you to create inequities in the society, lewdness and stinginess amounting to shame, and that you should say about God what you do not know. [‘Fahasha’ = Lewdness = Stinginess to the point of shame = Indecent acts. The satans in the society set up rules contrary to the Divine revelation. They make their own lists of permissible and forbidden and teach people that accumulation of wealth is perfectly alright. Nay, spend on God’s servants all that is beyond your needs. 2:21-22, 2:219, 41:10]
2:170 When it is said to them, "Follow what God has revealed", they say, "Nay! We will follow the ways of our ancestors.” What! Even though their ancestors (and the ancient Imams) were lacking in understanding and were not rightly guided? [5:104, 10:78, 11:62, 11:87, 21:53, 34:43, 38:7, 43:23. Hudan and derivatives = Prominent = Bright = Lighted = Clearly visible = Leading = Guidance = Lighthouse = A well-lit road = A landmark of identification in the desert or sea]
2:171 The likeness of such blind followers is that (of a herd of sheep) which hear the shepherd’s call, but hear in it nothing more than a sound and a shout. Deaf, dumb, blind, for they do not use their reason. [This is subhuman level of existence 7:179. ‘Unq = Shepherd’s call. Shepherd here pertains to religious leaders who have learned some meaningless words or tenets, and a herd of sheep is the masses that blindly follow them. Kufr embraces blind following in addition to denying, opposing, or concealing the truth. Perceptual senses alone cannot distinguish human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom. It is the intellectual analysis that sets them apart

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Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK)
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 27 November 2017, 11:47 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 28 November 2017, 3:07 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK)
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 29 November 2017, 10:49 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 9 December 2017, 3:30 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 12 December 2017, 11:06 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmed, UK)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 13 December 2017, 8:57 am