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Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Thursday, 23 November 2017, 1:02 pm
In Response To: Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA) (Dawood, USA)

Quoting Quran at you has not worked in the past, but for those who are interested in what the Quran has to say here are a few relevant verses.

3:23 Have you noted those who were given a share of the Scripture? When they are invited to the Book of God to judge among them, a party of them turns away in displeasure.
4:105 We have revealed the Book to you in absolute truth that you might judge between people according to what God has shown you (in this revelation). So, do not be an advocate for the treacherous.

You can only judge if you follow what it says to judge with, not make up anything you want.

The Israelites and now the followers of creeds obtained from their Bible, are cautioned not to mix truth with falsehood, not to make things up and say it is from God, aka a creed of Abraham that is obligatory to do, UNLESS AND UNTIL IT IS CONFIRMED BY THE CRITERION TO JUDGE RIGHT FOR WRONG, THE QURAN:

2:40 (One example is that of the Israelites.) O Children of Israel! Remember My blessings that I bestowed upon you (when you were following the commandments). Fulfill your promise to Me and I will fulfill My promise to you. And fear none but Me. [Fear the consequences of violating Divine Commands. 2:47, 2:83-85, 2:122, 3:61, 5:12-13, 5:70, 9:111, 45:16]
2:41 And grace yourselves with belief in what I have revealed now confirming (the truth) in what you already have. Be not the first to reject belief therein, and trade not My revelations for petty gains. And be mindful of Me. [‘Confirming the truth in’ (2:101). Petty gains = The false dogma of being the ‘chosen ones’ which is consistently rejected by the Qur’an. The only criterion of honor in the Sight of God is character (2:80-81, 10:69-70, 29:23, 49:13). Kufr = Opposing the truth = Denying the truth = Concealing the truth = Ingratitude = Rejection of truth = Choosing to live in darkness = Hiding or covering something = Closing eyes to light. Kaafir = One given to Kufr = One who adamantly denies the truth = One who opposes the truth = Commonly translated as ‘infidel’ = Derivatively, a farmer who hides the seed under the soil (57:20). Therefore, Kufr or Kafir does not apply to the unaware, anyone to whom the Message has not been conveyed or reached yet. Taqwa = Seeking to journey through life in security = Protecting the personality = Being careful and observant = Getting empowered against evil = Avoid overstepping the laws = Exercising caution = Preserving oneself against deterioration = Good conduct = Building character = Living aright = Fearing the consequences of violating Divine Commands = Being mindful of the Creator = Being watchful against error]
2:42 Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth while you are well aware of it. [2:159, 3:71]

When it is said, follow what God has revealed, the 'creeders' say:
2:91 When it is said to them, “Believe in what God has revealed”, they say, “We only accept what has been sent to us.” And they reject all besides that, even though it is the Truth confirming what is with them. Say, “Then why did you oppose and even slay the Prophets of God before, if you were believers?” [2:101. For Qatl, see 2:54]

Following the Bible 'creeds':
2:120 Yet, never will the Jews be pleased with you, nor will the Christians, unless you follow their form of religion. Say, “God’s Guidance - it is the only Guidance.” And if you follow their wishes and errant views after the Knowledge that has come to you, then you will find no ally or helper against God. [7:3, 10:109, 13:37. It is not a matter of my religion or your religion. Al-Qur’an is the updated, unadulterated Message from the same Creator Who revealed the previous Scriptures]
2:121 Those to whom We have given the Book study and follow it as it should be studied and followed. They are the ones who truly believe in it. And whoever rejects it, such are the losers. [10:58]

What part of "God's Guidance is the only Guidance" do you not understand and say we need more?

Brother Dawood, you can believe in anything you want, God and I cannot force you, but have the decency to say you do it as a religious obligation in-spite of it not being in the Quran rather than telling us we can do it because it is not mentioned in the Quran. A RIGHT DIRECTION HAS BEEN GIVEN IN THE QURAN; FOLLOW THIS OR GO LEFT:

2:256 (Although this message has been sent down by the Almighty) there is absolutely no compulsion or coercion in Religion. The right direction has been made distinct from error. So, whoever rejects false gods (such as the clergy, human ‘authorities’) and attains conviction in God, has grasped the Unbreakable Support. God is Hearer, Knower. [No compulsion in matters of religion - This Rule shall have no exceptions since Right has been distinguished from Wrong. 2:148, 2:193, 2:256, 4:88, 5:48, 6:104, 6:107-108, 7:177-178, 10:99, 12:108, 18:29, 22:39-40, 27:80-81, 39:41, 56:79, 73:19. At-Taaghoot = Those who, in rebellion to the One True God, claim to have Divine powers or try to portray themselves as His representatives = Sufis, mystics, priesthood, clergy, tyrants. Tagha = Rebellion. Idols of stones cannot rebel and therefore, they cannot be At-Taaghoot]

Dawood, do you want us to follow the vain desires of those from the Days of Ignorance before the Quran was revealed?

5:49 So judge between them by what God has revealed. And do not follow their vain desires. Beware of them, lest they divert you from some of what God has revealed to you. If they turn away from the truth, be assured that God has decided to chastise them for some of their crimes. A great many people drift away from the right path.
5:50 Do they seek judgment of the Days of Ignorance? But who can give better judgment than God, for a people who have attained conviction in the truth?

I put my trust with true conviction in God and His Quran; you bring forth other revelation and customs from from our devoid of wisdom ancestors!

Messages In This Thread

Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 2 November 2017, 10:43 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 8:55 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Razi, India -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 11:20 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:34 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:23 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 10:17 pm
not in Quran= ok to follow it!
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:24 pm
Re: not in Quran= ok to follow it!
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 11:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 4:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 6 November 2017, 8:28 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:38 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:49 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 9:51 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:34 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 10:57 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:26 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 14 November 2017, 11:45 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 16 November 2017, 8:33 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 17 November 2017, 12:22 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi -- Sunday, 19 November 2017, 9:26 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 20 November 2017, 10:19 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi, India -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:23 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:47 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi, India -- Thursday, 23 November 2017, 9:43 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:46 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:44 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 23 November 2017, 1:02 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 5:52 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:56 pm