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Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
By:Razi, India
Date: Thursday, 23 November 2017, 9:43 am
In Response To: Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA) (Dawood, USA)

Now this has become sickening.

Very cunningly you skipped answering rhetorical questions under the cover of logical semantics.

If I claim (assuming myself as Hindu, or anybody else) that all of the 7 listed practices/rites/rituals or any one of it is/are from “creed of Ibrahim” on the basis of 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas, 108 Upnishads, unbroken ancient practices, DNA results proving my ancestry to descendants of Prophet Ibrahim (S) will you accept that one or all practices as part of “creed of Ibrahim”?

Answer is obvious but you will not answer that, I know. But one statement of yours has already answered that.

Your statement “Every claim is to be judged on its merit” has made very clear that only Quran is not your criteria for judging any matter related to Deen of Allah rather it is “merit”. This “merit” of yours may include Quran besides other things.

You be happy with your Lexicons / Lughats. I will deduce the meaning from Quran and within Quran (with the help different Translations / renditions).

For me
“Millat/Creed” = Belief
and “Deen” = Belief + Practices / Actions.

12:37 and 12:38 very clearly elaborates and confirms that “Creed” means “belief”. In the former verse Prophet Yusuf (S) says, ”I have stayed away from the ways of people who do not believe in God…..” and later verse he says, “'I follow the Creed of such of my ancestors as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It is not conceivable that we ever ascribe partners to God…..”

Further, if agree with your meaning of “Millat/Creed” as Belief plus Practices, then what does “Deen” means to you? If “Deen” also means Belief plus Practices then in verses 4:125 and 6:161 both words are used by God. So if both words conveys the same meaning then either the word “Deen” or the word “Millat” is redundant (God forbid), and most certainly that cannot be the case.

Enjoy your holidays. Any further continuation of this topic will be nothing but argumentation, leading nowhere.

Hope and expect to learn from you on some other topics.

Best Regards,
Razi

Messages In This Thread

Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 2 November 2017, 10:43 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 8:55 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Razi, India -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 11:20 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:34 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:23 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 10:17 pm
not in Quran= ok to follow it!
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:24 pm
Re: not in Quran= ok to follow it!
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 11:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 4:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 6 November 2017, 8:28 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:38 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:49 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 9:51 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:34 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 10:57 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:26 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 14 November 2017, 11:45 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 16 November 2017, 8:33 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 17 November 2017, 12:22 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi -- Sunday, 19 November 2017, 9:26 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 20 November 2017, 10:19 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi, India -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:23 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:47 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi, India -- Thursday, 23 November 2017, 9:43 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:46 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 21 November 2017, 8:44 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 23 November 2017, 1:02 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 5:52 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:56 pm