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Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:56 pm
In Response To: Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad) (A Sayed (South Africa))

I understand the age of you and your computer so no apologies needed.

At times you give a logical explanation for your ideas but this then disintegrates when you suggest we can rely on what our ancestors have given us.

We know very well that the hadith followed by the majority of muslims are false. Just because the majority follow them and the time they have been followed does not make them less false. Similarly, with the traditions handed down by our ancestors from ‘Abraham’. Written hadith 1200years old are doubtful so how can we authenticate oral traditions from 3000 years ago?

If we go to the Bible, the 6 days and nights of Genesis for the creation of the heavens and the earth has been proved false by science so your “developing and understanding the natural laws” cannot be taken from a flawed Bible.

Your flaws can be exampled by you stating that circumcision is an option, which I thank you for accepting since I cannot see it in the Quran, hence not part of Deen, do it if you like but do not say it is compulsory. However, if you accept that millet of Ibrahim is all that has been given from the traditions down from Abraham, then according to your understanding you have to do it as the Quran says follow the creed of Abraham. If you do what I do, look in the Quran for what creeds Abraham is said to have undertaken/followed, then the other traditions handed down to us have no authorisation and can be discarded. No Contradiction in this.

Jesus spoke Aramaic and knew Hebrew. When we read Greek or Latin from second or third generation accounts, Gospels, then the equivalent words for sujood are lost in translation and/or the authors are not God and cannot be relied upon to give the facts. The Quran has ‘prostration’ but verses about birds and shadows tell us how to understand this; not literal but an act of submission.

We now have the Quran to judge what part of our traditions do not make sense and when we continue a practice that has no Quranic authority, this does not make sense.

My clear and uncompromising position is that following what our ancestors have given us is condemned in the Quran UNLESS it is authorised by the Quran.

Messages In This Thread

Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 2 November 2017, 10:43 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 8:55 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Razi, India -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 11:20 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:34 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:23 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 10:17 pm
not in Quran= ok to follow it!
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:24 pm
Re: not in Quran= ok to follow it!
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 11:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 4:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 6 November 2017, 8:28 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:38 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:49 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 9:51 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:34 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 10:57 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:26 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 14 November 2017, 11:45 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 16 November 2017, 8:33 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 17 November 2017, 12:22 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi -- Sunday, 19 November 2017, 9:26 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 5:52 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:56 pm