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Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
By:A Sayed (South Africa)
Date: Friday, 3 November 2017, 4:03 pm
In Response To: Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India) (Dawood, USA)

Dawood Bhai, in your reply to Razi bhai you wrote: “-----. Thus, those who don’t follow the Creed of Ibrahim, they are doing something wrong. ----“.

You are absolutely right.

Let’s take the case of Jawaid Bhai who is so passionate about Qur’an being Al Furqaan (The Criterion) like all of us on this forum, yet he fails miserably to use it to determine the true teachings of both Creationism and Evolution in the creation of mankind.

For example, in his Post to me on “MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen” (30/10/2017), he states, “Adam, mankind did evolve from earlier ape family”.

But according to Qur’an (23:12-14, 40:67 and 22:5), it is so very clear that the creation of “mankind” has two stages, one of Creationism and another of Evolution, which constitutes the knowledge Creative Evolution, guiding both Creationism and Evolution to the Truth and Falsehood of their statements.

Hence, the creation of “mankind” in those verses of the Qur’an begins with the creation ADAM as a “NEW CREATION” (QXP 2:30) from “dust/clay” and then followed by the power given to him to procreate, which begins and ends the Evolution of humans life from the time of its conception in the mother’s womb until death.

Hence, it is very clear from this episode that Jawaid Bhai is not using the Qur’an to establish the true and false knowledge of science but instead uses the knowledge of science to give meaning to Al Furqaan.

Actually, in the same Post he admits that his “belief in ‘nothingness’ stems from science when it says that without space there is no time and without time there is no space. So before the universe had space and time there must have been NO SPACE OR TIME – nothingness. Big Bang proves a beginning”.

Here again, Jawaid Bhai superimposes the knowledge of science on religion using science as The Criterion and not the knowledge of the Qur’an, because if you use the knowledge of the Qur’an to establish the Truth of both science and religion, you will clearly see “To begin with the entire space was full of smoke”, QXP 41:10).

Hence, in 21:30, which in chronological order came after the verse 41:10 was revealed to the Prophet (s), it states that God separated the heaven (space) from earth but does not tell us how. It is only after we read about the expanding universe (51:47) that will recede and collapse one day to its original form (56:4-6, 75:6-12), we are left with the conclusion that since Space was defined, the “smoke” (interstellar dust and gas) in 21:30 was condensed to separate it from Space, that the Big Bang did take place in a measured manner to fit the defined Space.

Likewise, Jawaid Bhai has no idea that after billions of years when God chose the planet earth to settle us on it had no shape and form and that God gave it shape and form by placing mountains, seas, dry land, sunlight, etc, on it, etc, etc. He just follows science on the matter, while according to millat of Ibrahim it should be Qur’an and not science that should explain the Truth of the creation.

Hence, like the verses of creation of Adam and that of how rain is made or how our physical universe was created or even of the masjid as the centre of our development cannot be found in one place in the Qur’an so are the complete procedures of salaat. You have to have knowledge of the millat of Ibrahim to understand it like I have explained in many of my Posts in the last 2-3 months.

Best Regards.
AK Sayed (South Africa).

Messages In This Thread

Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 2 November 2017, 10:43 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Razi, India)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 8:55 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Razi, India -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 11:20 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:34 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:23 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 10:17 pm
not in Quran= ok to follow it!
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:24 pm
Re: not in Quran= ok to follow it!
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 11:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 3 November 2017, 4:03 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 6 November 2017, 8:28 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 12:38 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 7 November 2017, 2:49 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 9:51 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 November 2017, 6:34 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 10:57 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:26 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 14 November 2017, 11:45 pm
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 16 November 2017, 8:33 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 17 November 2017, 12:22 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Dawood, USA)
Razi -- Sunday, 19 November 2017, 9:26 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Friday, 10 November 2017, 5:52 am
Re: Salaat and Hadith (Jawaid Ahmad)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 November 2017, 4:56 pm