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Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright) (Ather
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 3:16 pm
In Response To: Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright) (Ather (A Sayed (South Africa))

Circumcision not in Quran, do it because it is a creed of Abraham in the Bible!

You say 2:135 They say, “Be Jews or Christians if you would be guided.
No, I answer:2:135 Say, “Nay, we follow the Creed of Abraham the upright who shunned all falsehood and associated none with God.”

[Hence, the Upright Deen is a comprehensive way of life, which determines from the natural Laws of the creations that there is a Creator and Designer of it, free of all dogmas and doctrines of religion, and that its secular and scientific nature and path is not Godless.]

The study of the universe has not led the scientific west to God, it has turned them godless.

Abraham started his quest by observing the signs of the universe which led to him rejecting the idols, gods, and nonsense that religions creates for the natural world.
He was then given revelation by Allah to meld the scientific and social elements of our existence together which is described in:

2:260 [Abraham wanted to understand the laws of revival of nations] “O My Lord! Show me how You revive dead nations.” God said, “Do you believe not?” Abraham said, “Surely, I do but only to satisfy my heart (how I will revive my living dead people). God said, “Take four birds and train them with affection to you, and then leave them apart on separate hilltops.” Then call them; they will come in quickly. Then know that God is Almighty, Wise. [At Abraham’s call the birds came flying back to him. This is how mankind can be brought to the Truth with decent admonition and training, giving them a new life]

[Abraham used it to establish the Post-Modern way of life, which superimposed the knowledge of science, religion, culture, politics, etc, without creating any boundaries within and between them that made them separate and exclusive.]

Abraham could not have done this superimposing unless he had the knowledge to do so from God.

[God used it to establish the same Deen for all the descendants of Abraham by stating that all Prophets should interpret His Word that was revealed to them in the context of His Work in the Signs and science of the creations and in the history of the deen and not to say or do anything in the deen that was not revealed to them.]

Revelation was given to them but we know from the Quran that this was not protected by Allah and got distorted/lost. It needed a final, complete, protected and detailed revelation to allow us to judge WHAT REMAINS in previous scripture and this does not mean we accept everything in them!

2:119 We have sent you (O Prophet) with the Decisive Truth as a bearer of glad tidings and as a warner. But you will not be questioned about the companions of the blazing fire. [13:40. Jaheem = Blazing fire = Insurmountable Barrier to the development of the human ‘self’ = Figuratively, Hell. The human ‘self’ can make progress only by accepting Divine Laws and doing good to God’s creations. See the author's note at the end of this rendition for an understanding of Self-actualization, Afterlife, Paradise and Hellfire]
2:120 Yet, never will the Jews be pleased with you, nor will the Christians, unless you follow their form of religion. Say, “God’s Guidance - it is the only Guidance.” And if you follow their wishes and errant views after the Knowledge that has come to you, then you will find no ally or helper against God. [7:3, 10:109, 13:37. It is not a matter of my religion or your religion. Al-Qur’an is the updated, unadulterated Message from the same Creator Who revealed the previous Scriptures]
2:121 Those to whom We have given the Book study and follow it as it should be studied and followed. They are the ones who truly believe in it. And whoever rejects it, such are the losers. [10:58]

[Hence, those Muslims who do not see any Truth in previous Scriptures and in the traditions of their follower are misguided.]

This is the problem. You accept everything in the Bible as the inspired revelation of God but the above verses clearly state they are in error, without true knowledge. By following everything in the Bible you end up with nothing but falsehood.

[Likewise, not to follow “the millat of Ibrahim” is foolish because it explains the ideology without which Muslims have no direction as is the case today.]

You have not looked at what the Quran says is the millat of Abraham that he followed and is an example for us to follow. It is repeated time and again that it is monotheism, not shirking from hardship when you follow the truth, being kind etc.

I have no direction without following the Bible and what it says Abraham was given for his creed?

Dear Uncle, the Quran gives us the direction.

Messages In This Thread

adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright)
Ather Sunar, Jhelum -- Saturday, 28 October 2017, 11:10 pm
Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright)
Ahmed, England UK -- Sunday, 29 October 2017, 9:43 am
Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 8:56 am
Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright) (Ather
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 9:23 am
Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright) (Ather
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 3:16 pm
Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright)
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 7:58 pm
Re: adDeeni Haneefan (The Religion Upright)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 1 November 2017, 8:27 am