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Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 8:57 am
In Response To: Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (Dawood, USA)

I have educated myself further and I cannot understand what your objection to 3:23 is! We now have a complete scripture from Allah in the form of the Quran and we are told to judge everything we do/believe by this Book. You have a mistaken belief in a physical prayer ritual and you cannot produce a single verse which says 'pray like this stand, repeat words, bend down, repeat word, prostrate, repeat words, stand up' etc, how may rakas when I cannot find the word raka in the Quran!

To get around this FACT you have created an imaginary new religion called the creed of Abraham. Everything you want to do is now justified by this false belief because your devoid of wisdom ancestors have told you to do it, Quran words, not mine, when it is not in the Quran. Where is circumcision? Where is namaz? Where is 2.5% zakat? Not there! Create a creed of Abraham and anything and everything is allowed!

You are now "When they are invited to the Book of God to judge among them, a party of them turns away in displeasure" because you cannot see what you want to continue to do!

You see, I do know context and my beliefs are backed up by all of the Quran, not cherry picking or ignoring others [birds, all in heavens, monotheism...]

3:19 Remember that the System of Life approved by God is only Islam (Submission). Those who were given the Scripture dissented from it through mutual rivalry and envy, after knowledge had come to them. If anyone rejects God's revelations, then God is Swift in reckoning. [‘Ind-Allah = In the Sight of God = Approved by God = Before God. Deen = The System of Life = The Divinely Prescribed Way of Life = In a loose sense, ‘religion’, a ritualistic Way of Life = ‘Religion’ even with a capital R may scarcely come close in meaning to the term Deen. Al-Islam = Submission to God = Submission to Divine will = Universal Peace achieved by submission to the One True God. 6:87]
3:20 If they argue with you (O Messenger), tell them, “I have submitted to God; I and those who follow me.” Say to the People of the Scripture, and to those who have no Scripture, “Would you submit (to God)?” If they submit, then they have been guided but if they turn away, then your duty is only to convey the Message. God is Seer of His servants.
3:21 Those who reject the messages of God, and wrongfully kill (degrade) the Prophets or their Mission by mixing truth with falsehood, and kill or harm the advocates of justice in the society; promise them grievous retribution.
3:22 They are the people whose (good) deeds shall be nullified in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers at all.
3:23 Have you noted those who were given a share of the Scripture? When they are invited to the Book of God to judge among them, a party of them turns away in displeasure.
3:24 This is because they say that the fire will not touch them but only for a few days. What they used to invent has deceived them in their own religion.

2:170 When it is said to them, "Follow what God has revealed", they say, "Nay! We will follow the ways of our ancestors.” What! Even though their ancestors (and the ancient Imams) were lacking in understanding and were not rightly guided? [5:104, 10:78, 11:62, 11:87, 21:53, 34:43, 38:7, 43:23. Hudan and derivatives = Prominent = Bright = Lighted = Clearly visible = Leading = Guidance = Lighthouse = A well-lit road = A landmark of identification in the desert or sea]
2:171 The likeness of such blind followers is that (of a herd of sheep) which hear the shepherd’s call, but hear in it nothing more than a sound and a shout. Deaf, dumb, blind, for they do not use their reason. [This is subhuman level of existence 7:179. ‘Unq = Shepherd’s call. Shepherd here pertains to religious leaders who have learned some meaningless words or tenets, and a herd of sheep is the masses that blindly follow them. Kufr embraces blind following in addition to denying, opposing, or concealing the truth. Perceptual senses alone cannot distinguish human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom. It is the intellectual analysis that sets them apart]

Messages In This Thread

MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 26 October 2017, 10:38 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 27 October 2017, 8:18 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 28 October 2017, 9:03 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 10:30 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 27 October 2017, 8:30 pm
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 28 October 2017, 1:19 pm
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 7:09 pm
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 8:57 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (Dawood, U
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Sunday, 29 October 2017, 7:23 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (Dawood, U
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 10:58 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (Dawood, U
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 11:00 am