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Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Monday, 30 October 2017, 10:30 am
In Response To: Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (A Sayed (South Africa))

Sayed Bhai, the Quran states we need the world, natural laws and universal truths, Quranic/Allah given, to live properly so I am not denying what you want to achieve. What I disagree with is the term ‘Creed of Abraham’ and how it is misused to make up any act or belief that comes to mind. All we need is the Quran and knowledge of the world to progress and denial of one makes this difficult to achieve. The Quran does not make any boundaries between knowledge of science, religion, culture, politics etc, as these are all parts of our existence so I do not see why I should dump the Quran and revert back to Abraham. I dump what is not in the Quran and that includes anything that has been handed down by our ancestors, whoever they may be.

The secular world disregards the ‘religious’ no matter what name you put to your new system.

My belief in ‘nothingness’ stems from science when it says that without space there is no time and without time there is no space. So before the universe had space and time there must have been NO SPACE OR TIME- nothingness. Big bang proves a beginning and if science is able to tell us what happened after the 1 trillionth of a second after the start, this still leaves the problem of how we got from year 0, space 0, to time 0.0000..1sec and space substance. That is their problem not mine but gives us an opportunity to bring in something that brought existence into being when there was no existence.

Adam, mankind did evolve from the earlier ape family and where did I say any differently? It was common knowledge amongst muslims before they de-evolved intellectually, as Ibn Khaldun knew enough to put it down in his book the Muqaddamah.
Jeff session did not understand the Abrahamic faith better than muslims, since there is no fully detailed Abrahamic faith to read and understand, EXCEPT what the Quran says, so HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE QURAN ADVOCATES BETTER THAN MOST MUSLIMS!

I have to understand what the Quran says to understand Islam and as this incorporates what truths Abraham did/was taught then I need no convincing on this matter. What I am 100% opposed to is you or Dawood telling me that a belief or practice that is not confirmed in the Quran is part of the ‘creed of Abraham’ and I must believe and do it. NONSENSE.

We will not get anywhere as an ummah as long as we do not read the Quran in context and understand what it means when it says something like ‘follow the creed of Abraham’! The biggest creed attributed to him in the Quran is monotheism, belief in the One true God, based upon his observation of the world and the knowledge given to him by God. My problem is not my cutting and pasting of the Quran, my problem is you and dawood ignoring the context of what the Quran says either before or after when the ‘creed of Abraham’ is mentioned.

Messages In This Thread

MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Thursday, 26 October 2017, 10:38 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 27 October 2017, 8:18 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Saturday, 28 October 2017, 9:03 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 10:30 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 27 October 2017, 8:30 pm
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 28 October 2017, 1:19 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 7:09 pm
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 31 October 2017, 8:57 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (Dawood, U
A Sayed (South Africa) -- Sunday, 29 October 2017, 7:23 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (Dawood, U
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 10:58 am
Re: MILLAT: A human perspective of Deen (Dawood, U
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 30 October 2017, 11:00 am