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Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Thursday, 12 October 2017, 7:49 am
In Response To: Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies (A Sayed, South Africa)

I did not say Kassim was perfect!

Uncle Sayed, I always reflect and if you have read my posts I have said both hadith and traditions influence the continuation of the physical prayer ritual. I have said that “the religious practices handed down through generations from the time of Prophet Abraham” is one excuse for doing something that is not in the Quran. BUT, are we allowed to follow any practice from our ancestors that is not confirmed by the Quran? NO.

2:170 When it is said to them, "Follow what God has revealed", they say, "Nay! We will follow the ways of our ancestors.” What! Even though their ancestors (and the ancient Imams) were lacking in understanding and were not rightly guided? [5:104, 10:78, 11:62, 11:87, 21:53, 34:43, 38:7, 43:23. Hudan and derivatives = Prominent = Bright = Lighted = Clearly visible = Leading = Guidance = Lighthouse = A well-lit road = A landmark of identification in the desert or sea]
2:171 The likeness of such blind followers is that (of a herd of sheep) which hear the shepherd’s call, but hear in it nothing more than a sound and a shout. Deaf, dumb, blind, for they do not use their reason. [This is subhuman level of existence 7:179. ‘Unq = Shepherd’s call. Shepherd here pertains to religious leaders who have learned some meaningless words or tenets, and a herd of sheep is the masses that blindly follow them. Kufr embraces blind following in addition to denying, opposing, or concealing the truth. Perceptual senses alone cannot distinguish human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom. It is the intellectual analysis that sets them apart]
The Messenger submitted to Allah, not Abraham:
3:20 If they argue with you (O Messenger), tell them, “I have submitted to God; I and those who follow me.” Say to the People of the Scripture, and to those who have no Scripture, “Would you submit (to God)?” If they submit, then they have been guided but if they turn away, then your duty is only to convey the Message. God is Seer of His servants.
3:21 Those who reject the messages of God, and wrongfully kill (degrade) the Prophets or their Mission by mixing truth with falsehood, and kill or harm the advocates of justice in the society; promise them grievous retribution.

Thank you for quoting 13:17. Go back a few verses and it states all things bow down to Allah and they are not engaged in physical prayer rituals but are following what they are programmed to do in an obedient manner. When we follow our Quranic programming, we are bowing down to Allah willingly and fulfilling our duty to Him; sujood and salat. There is no need for a physical expression of this as our hearts and minds are already showing Him that we belong to Him; He is All Knowing and All Seeing, so He knows without us having to show this physically. That is why He did not put a ritual prayer instruction verse as it is our intentions that counts.

13:14 Calling upon Him is the True calling. Those unto whom they call besides God, cannot respond to them at all. Thus, they are like the one who stretches forth his two palms towards water hoping for it to reach his mouth from distance, and it will never reach. Likewise, the calling of those who are oblivious to Divine laws is misdirected. [4:123]
13:15 And before God bow, willingly or unwillingly, all beings that are in the heavens and earth, as do their shadows in the mornings and evenings. [3:82, 41:11]
13:16 Ask them, "Who is the Lord of the heavens and earth?” Say, “It is God!” (23:84-90, 29:21-23). Then ask, “Why then, do you take as protectors besides Him those who have neither benefit, nor harm even for themselves?” (When you acknowledge Him as God of the heavens, what stops you from acknowledging Him as God of the earth, and thus, as the laws-giving authority? (6:3, 21:21-22, 43:84). Say, “Is the blind of reason equal to the seer, or is darkness equal to light?” (11:24, 35:19). Have their so-called partners of God created something like He has created, so that this act of creation appears to them to be similar? Say, “God is the Creator of all things. He is the One, Dominating.”
13:17 He sends down water from the height causing the riverbeds to flow according to their measure and the flood bears on its surface swelling foam. When they use fire to refine metals for their jewelry or equipment, foam is produced like it. In this way, God is citing for you the example of the truth and falsehood. For, as far as the foam is concerned, it passes away as scum upon the riverbanks - While that which is of benefit to mankind, exists on earth. This is how God uses analogies for you to understand. [The real existence on earth is of that which benefits humanity]
13:18 For those who respond to their Lord’s call, is a state of bliss. And those who do not respond to Him, even if they had all the treasures of the world and more like it, they would readily give it as ransom. But, a terrible reckoning awaits them, and Hell will be their abode. What a miserable bed to lie on!
13:19 Is he, then who knows that what has been revealed to you (O Prophet) is the truth from your Lord, like him who chooses to remain blind? Only those who develop their insight will bear this in mind.

16:22 Your God is One God. Those who do not believe in the Afterlife, their hearts refuse to admit, for they are proud. [The very thought of accountability before a Supreme Being hurts their arrogance]
16:23 (They deceive people with fancy words and contrived rituals but) God knows their intentions and actions, and what they conceal and what they reveal. Surely, He does not love the arrogant.
16:24 And when it is said to them, “What has your Lord revealed?” They say, “Fables of ancient times!” [When the Qur’an is presented to them, their clergy claim that its verses apply not to them, but only to Jews, Christians and the idolaters of Arabia]

Messages In This Thread

Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
Omar-S Africa -- Tuesday, 10 October 2017, 5:00 pm
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 11 October 2017, 7:22 am
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
A Sayed, South Africa -- Wednesday, 11 October 2017, 7:24 pm
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 12 October 2017, 7:49 am
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies (Jawaid Ahmed
A Sayed, South Africa -- Friday, 13 October 2017, 7:35 am
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 12 October 2017, 10:59 pm
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 13 October 2017, 3:11 pm
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 17 October 2017, 10:54 pm
Re: Muslim thinker Kassim Ahmad dies
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 18 October 2017, 7:32 am