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Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Monday, 2 October 2017, 8:01 am
In Response To: Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk) (A Sayed, South Africa)

Following tradition is not bad thing if it makes sense and there is overwhelming evidence in the Qur’an. All Prophets that descended of Abraham followed his deen (2:133).

Wrong! All prophets that were descended from Abraham were give the same deen as was given to Abraham and they FOLLOWED ALLAH, not Abraham!
They were all given revelation from Allah to correct the wrong beliefs and acts that men had introduced to the deen and if they had the original there was no need to send them with new revelation.

Tradition is that which has no evidence in the Quran but is carried on despite this. A simple concept, salat, of being dutiful to Allah by following His Guidance is transformed into a ritual physical act because of words like sujood and rukoo when these are explained to us in the birds and all in the heavens verses.
It is strange that the Quran gives you an example of what nature is doing and this is ignored when you say "God asked the Prophet Muhammad (s) to reject all the religions of his time and showed him all the laws of the heavens and the Earth like God showed Abraham (6:75) by revealing to him (Prophet Muhammad) more than 1000 verses explaining the all details of the creation."!

The last and final Message of Allah is now in its complete an fully detailed form, the Quran. which includes the remaining truths that were given to previous Messengers and allows us to remove the man made falsehoods. We are told to judge what others believe by this Book, and not accept anything that does not agree with it.

Your creed of Abraham is a result of not finding something in the Quran and wanting to continue with it when you are told not to so.
You have made it an article of faith to follow what you want and call it Abrahamic teachings.

2:132 This very legacy Abraham left to his children, and so did Jacob, saying, “O My children! Indeed, God has chosen for you the Way of Life. Therefore, let not death overtake you except that you are Muslimoon” (Muslims = Submitters to God alone, guardians of peace. 2:236, 22:78).
[Deen = The Divinely Prescribed System of Life = Al-Islam. It has more to do with the collective life of humans and the science of sociology. It concerns itself with people living in this world collectively in peace according to a Code of permanent values that ensures success in both lives. Religion (Mazhab) is more of a generic term signifying a creed involving certain rites and rituals and seeking individual salvation. Islam being a Collective System of Life is, in fact, a challenge to religion]
2:133 Were you present when death approached Jacob; and he asked his children, “Whom will you serve after me?” They answered, “We will serve your God, the God of your forefathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - the One God. And to Him we surrender ourselves.”

2:153 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Seek help by patiently following the Divine Commands. Certainly, God is with the steadfast.
[Salaat = Following God’s commands closely 2:3. Wa in the middle of this verse merges with Salaat as indicated by ‘God being with the steadfast’, without mentioning Salaat in the end]

2:170 When it is said to them, "Follow what God has revealed", they say, "Nay! We will follow the ways of our ancestors.” What! Even though their ancestors (and the ancient Imams) were lacking in understanding and were not rightly guided?
[5:104, 10:78, 11:62, 11:87, 21:53, 34:43, 38:7, 43:23. Hudan and derivatives = Prominent = Bright = Lighted = Clearly visible = Leading = Guidance = Lighthouse = A well-lit road = A landmark of identification in the desert or sea]
2:171 The likeness of such blind followers is that (of a herd of sheep) which hear the shepherd’s call, but hear in it nothing more than a sound and a shout. Deaf, dumb, blind, for they do not use their reason.
[This is subhuman level of existence 7:179. ‘Unq = Shepherd’s call. Shepherd here pertains to religious leaders who have learned some meaningless words or tenets, and a herd of sheep is the masses that blindly follow them. Kufr embraces blind following in addition to denying, opposing, or concealing the truth. Perceptual senses alone cannot distinguish human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom. It is the intellectual analysis that sets them apart]

Messages In This Thread

Islam and salaat
A Sayed, South Africa -- Thursday, 28 September 2017, 8:39 am
Re: Islam and salaat
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 28 September 2017, 5:28 pm
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
A Sayed, South Africa -- Friday, 29 September 2017, 12:43 pm
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 29 September 2017, 5:17 pm
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
A Sayed, South Africa -- Saturday, 30 September 2017, 6:40 am
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 30 September 2017, 3:13 pm
Re: Islam and salaat
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 29 September 2017, 9:36 pm
Re: Islam and salaat (Dawood)
A Sayed, South Africa -- Saturday, 30 September 2017, 10:20 am
Re: Islam and salaat (Dawood)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 30 September 2017, 3:42 pm
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
A Sayed, South Africa -- Sunday, 1 October 2017, 2:13 pm
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 2 October 2017, 8:01 am
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
A Sayed, South Africa -- Tuesday, 3 October 2017, 10:23 am
Re: Islam and salaat (Jawaid Ahmed, uk)
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 3 October 2017, 4:15 pm
Re: Islam and salaat
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 30 September 2017, 11:15 am
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 2 October 2017, 11:02 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 3 October 2017, 4:21 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 4 October 2017, 9:25 pm
Re: Islam and salaat
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 5 October 2017, 7:25 am
Re: Islam and salaat
Dawood, USA -- Friday, 6 October 2017, 10:52 pm
Re: Islam and salaat
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 7 October 2017, 8:19 am