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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Thursday, 21 September 2017, 11:25 pm
In Response To: Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd (Tahir Canada)

You wrote: “I am amazed to read your reply. If you cannot see how "salat=following closely" (Allah's commands e.g. marriage law in the subject reference) is applicable here then we are wasting our time. Please read again all the replies Jawaid Bhai posted and reflect on them. May Allah help you and all of us to see through the message.”

Yes, indeed you should be amazed, as I am. You come up with bizarre theories/ideas/notions without an iota of support from the language, grammar, lexicon, and then mount the verses of Quran with those erroneous notions, and then claim others should follow your lead. Jawaid bhai provided a reference to “salat=following closely”, I have already provided you the basis for the words/phrases from classic lexicon, refuting this understanding in totality. Do you have anything to say on this account? Suggesting me to review an erroneous understanding again and again speak of what?

You wrote: “What will make you understand what Mubeen verses are saying? Jawaid Bhai has very persistently tried to convey you the meanings of Mubeen verses which appeal to logic and reasoning though not acceptable to muqallids.”

Bring an understanding which is close to the language in terms of grammar, lexicon, etc. Your logic and reasoning should be in line with the language, else it is dead on arrival. I hope you know the definition of Muqalids, they come in many garbs, old and modern.

You wrote: “Do you have a lexicon, Dictionary dated before revelation of Quran, showing salat=ritual prayer or your trust post Quranic books (written centuries after the revelation) for your understanding.”

Is your claim of “salat=following closely” new or mine? Is this new definition of Salat yours or mine? Yet, you are asking me to do away with the more than 1400 years of understanding of the term salat by those who spoke that language? Does it speak of something about you who make such claims?

In my reply to Jawaid bhai under the Salat=following closely thread, I quoted a quote of a poet from Taj, which most likely referring to pre-Islamic days. Should I discard such historic understanding and run with your untenable claims?

Best Regards,
Dawood

Messages In This Thread

Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 9:50 pm
Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 14 September 2017, 3:39 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Saturday, 16 September 2017, 5:52 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 18 September 2017, 10:15 pm
Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 19 September 2017, 12:13 pm
Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 21 September 2017, 10:55 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 22 September 2017, 4:05 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 25 September 2017, 10:12 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 7:17 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 29 September 2017, 9:25 pm
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Tahir Canada -- Tuesday, 19 September 2017, 1:49 am
Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 19 September 2017, 3:39 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 21 September 2017, 11:25 pm
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Tahir Canada -- Friday, 22 September 2017, 7:36 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 25 September 2017, 10:38 pm
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Tahir Canada -- Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 6:22 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 29 September 2017, 9:27 pm