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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
By:Tahir Canada
Date: Tuesday, 19 September 2017, 1:49 am
In Response To: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd (Dawood, USA)

(quote) “Lets see another example at 2:238-239. The topic under discussion in the context is marriage and divorce law. 2:238 says Guard your salawat and As-salatil wusta ....
and then same marriage and divorce laws continue in next verses. Now if salat = ritual prayer then its very easy to isolate 2:238-9 from the context and interpret it as a command for a ritual prayer. But if we consider what is before and after these verses then Quranic concept of salat becomes clear. Salat here has to refer the law of marriage and divorce and we are commanded to guard it. No need to fight for centuries to figure out which ritual prayer is As salatil wusta. Please reflect over all the verses about salat with the context and see how Quranic meanings of salat become clear.”

Earlier you defined “salat=following closely”, now it is “Salat here has to refer the law of marriage and divorce and we are commanded to guard it”. I ask you please answer some questions for yourself:

1. Is salat=following closely OR Is it = Law of marriage and divorce? (unquote)

Dawood Bhai

I am amazed to read your reply. If you cannot see how "salat=following closely" (Allah's commands e.g. marriage law in the subject reference) is applicable here then we are wasting our time. Please read again all the replies Jawaid Bhai posted and reflect on them. May Allah help you and all of us to see through the message.

2. Which lexicon, dictionary, lughat of Arabic language provide you the above two meanings?

Jawaid Bhai already took the pain to give you a detailed reply in this respect. Please review it again.

You wrote: "3. Is this not a prime example of “preconceived notions” mounting the clear and Mubeen verses?"

What will make you understand what Mubeen verses are saying? Jawaid Bhai has very persistantly tried to convey you the meanings of Mubeen verses which appeal to logic and reasoning though not acceptable to muqallids.

You wrote: “I can only say that Quran does not follow lexicons and dictionaries written long after the revelation. The revelation clarifies itself by repeated use of the terms. It uses the root meanings as were practiced before any lexicons/dictionaries ware written with coined meanings.”

The above is as nonsensical as it could possibly get. Some more questions:

1. Where do you get the “room meanings” of the Arabic letters?
2. How do you know which “root meanings” are original before the revelation and which are added later on?
3. Do you have a reference to back up what you stated above?"

Do you have a lexicon, Dictionary dated before revelation of Quran, showing salat=ritual prayer or your trust post Quranic books (written centuries after the revelation) for your understanding.

Best Regards,

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Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 9:50 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 14 September 2017, 3:39 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Saturday, 16 September 2017, 5:52 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 18 September 2017, 10:15 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 19 September 2017, 12:13 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 21 September 2017, 10:55 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 22 September 2017, 4:05 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 25 September 2017, 10:12 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 7:17 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 29 September 2017, 9:25 pm
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Tahir Canada -- Tuesday, 19 September 2017, 1:49 am
Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, (Tahir) cont'd
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 19 September 2017, 3:39 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 21 September 2017, 11:25 pm
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Tahir Canada -- Friday, 22 September 2017, 7:36 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 25 September 2017, 10:38 pm
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Tahir Canada -- Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 6:22 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 29 September 2017, 9:27 pm