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Re: I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven
By:Samiya Illias, Canada
Date: Sunday, 17 September 2017, 11:10 pm
In Response To: I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven (Dr (Pr) Thomas Mathai, Bombay)

Signs & Science

Signs & Science: A study into the factual accuracy of the Quran... in an effort to better understand the message from God. This is an initial exploratory research, and needs further studies and verification by subject experts. Kindly refer blog posts to relevant experts for evaluation. May God guide us to a clearer understanding of His guidance.

World History & Future Implications
Cloning, Cross-Breeding and Transhumanism
No change should there be in the creation of Allah [Quran 30:30]
Mission of the Messengers - I

Related posts:
Mission of the Messengers
Part II: Satan's Enmity: Origin & Objective
Part III: Adam's Attempt to Improve upon Allah's Creation
Part IV: Balance & Guidance
Part V: Crime & Punishment
Part VI: Immortality & A Kingdom that Never Decays
Part VII: Days of Allah
Part VIII: Jesus - Ascension & Return
Part IX: The Prophesy
Part X: Long Life - Reversed in Creation

Explained in Detail || Creation || The First Humans || The Mighty Ancients!
When the Seas Boil || Humans: God’s viceroy or Earth’s viceroy? || Lessons in Surah Al-Kahf

Scriptural records, mythology and archeological evidence together indicate that this is not the first time that humans have technologically advanced - rather ancient human civilisations were far mightier. According to scripture, they indulged in the grave crime of altering creation, and despite repeated warnings, when they persisted in their transgressions, God saved humanity from extinction by annihilating the criminals and their corruptions. Satan’s constant enmity for and relentless efforts to destroy mankind, and his methods are mentioned in the scriptures.
As science advances, great strides are being made in genetic engineering and many other fronts. To ensure judicious and beneficial use of technology, it is vital at this juncture for believers, especially scholars, scientists and policy-makers to revisit the scriptures and take guidance from it, lest we unwittingly become Satan’s tool for our own eternal loss.

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The Quran 2:2 begins with the statement that the Book is a guide for the ‘lil’muttaqīna’ [God-conscious]. Among the qualities of the God-conscious is belief in the scripture revealed to Muhammad and the scriptures revealed before him.
The scriptures all speak in unison about multiple grand civilisations of the past, their polytheism, transgressions and corruptions; of guidance and warnings sent through prophets and messengers to those civilisations, and the eventual annihilation of those civilisations.
Archaeological remains bear witness to the claim that there dwelt some very mighty civilisations in ancient times, whose ruins indicate that such constructions must have required great bodily strength and/or technology, knowledge of math, astronomy and other sciences, and a fine sense of aesthetics. Statues and engravings of mythological creatures adorn the walls of many of these ruins.
Mythology is replete with legends of gods and goddesses, and their interactions with humans. Mighty giants, hybrid monsters and strange creatures are the characters that dwell in these incredulous stories.
If the Quran and other scriptures are intended to guide the believers, then why do they repeatedly present examples from the past? What was the crime of those civilisations? What were they being warned about? Why did God intervene and destroy those civilisations? Was it an act of wrath against them or was it an act of mercy to save mankind? What was the mission of the messengers, and more importantly, what is its relevance to us today and implications for the future? Is there an underlying common thread? Will history repeat itself? What are the lessons we need to understand and take to heart? How do we apply those lessons?

The Quran 32:7 states that God has made good everything that He has created, and Quran 30:30 states that the correct religion inclines to the truth, that is, to the natural order or intrinsic nature upon which humans have been created, and warns that there should be no change in the creation of Allah.

الَّذِي أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقَهُ ۖ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الْإِنسَانِ مِن طِينٍ

Quran 32:7 Who made all things good which He created, and He began the creation of man from clay;

فَأَقِمْ وَجْهَكَ لِلدِّينِ حَنِيفًا فِطْرَتَ اللَّهِ الَّتِي فَطَرَ النَّاسَ عَلَيْهَا لَا تَبْدِيلَ لِخَلْقِ اللَّهِ ذَٰلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

Quran 30:30 So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.

The term ‘correct religion’ [الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ] has been used in the Quran at 9:36, 12:40, 30:30, 30:43 and and surmised in 98:5 as ‘And they were not commanded except to worship Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion.’

This study focuses on what ‘No change should there be in the creation of Allah’ means in the light of the Quran and Bible.

Corruption of Creation
Quran 4:1 O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.

Quran 13:25 But those who break the covenant of Allah after contracting it and sever that which Allah has ordered to be joined and spread corruption on earth - for them is the curse, and they will have the worst home.

Quran 4:1 states that God has created the human males and females from one ‘nafs’ and instructs humans to keep their duty to God and the wombs. Quran 13:25 states that those who break the covenant of Allah, sever what Allah has ordered to be joined and spread corruption on Earth will be cursed and have the worst home in the Hereafter. Quran 47:22 also questions similarly: ‘So would you perhaps, if you turned away, cause corruption on earth and sever your [ties of] relationship?’
The triliteral root fā sīn dāl (ف س د), of the word wayuf’sidūna translated as corruption in 13:25, and tuf’sidū in 47:22, occurs 50 times in the Quran, in four derived forms:
3 times as the form I verb fasadati (فَسَدَتِ)
15 times as the form IV verb afsadu (أَفْسَدُ)
11 times as the noun fasād (فَسَاد)
21 times as the form IV active participle muf'sid (مُفْسِد)

The first two occurrences of the triliteral root fā sīn dāl (ف س د) is in Quran 2:11-12: ‘And when it is said to them, “Do not cause corruption on the earth,” they say, “We are but reformers.” Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.’

Literally, corruption in the human genome can be affected by introducing the gene of another species. This explains why strong emphasis is placed on believers being forbidden from relationships with adulterers and non-believers, and relationships allowed only within the bond of marriage. [Quran Chapter 24, particularly verses 24:1-3 and 24:21]

Adam’s Covenant and Fall
Quran 20:115 informs us that a covenant was already taken from Adam, but he forgot and there was no firm resolve on his part. The subsequent verses go on to relate the event of all angels prostrating to Adam while Iblees (Satan) refused. Adam is forewarned that Satan is an enemy to Adam and his wife; hence to be careful lest Satan causes their expulsion from the Garden where all their needs (food, clothing, comfort) were taken care of. However, they were seduced by Satan and ate the forbidden fruit. Quran 20:123 informs us that, at the time of their expulsion from the Garden to the earth, Adam and Eve are yet again warned of the enmity between humans and Satan, but that whoever follows God’s guidance will not lose his way or fall into misery. The subsequent verses of Chapter 20 expand upon the result of not heeding to God’s message.

Satan’s Plan to Destroy Humans
Modern scientific research points to the origin of RNA in clay. Advances in Genetic Engineering are opening new avenues for alterations in and modification of the ‘code of life’.
Experiments in cloning and cross-breeding on cattle have been going on since the past many years. Though samples for cloning can be taken from anywhere, the most convenient and popular method is to take sample from the ear.
The following verses help us understand the relationship between keeping our covenant and duty to God and the womb, and how Satan plans to corrupt creation by means of cloning and cross-breeding:

Quran 4:117-121 informs us that the rebellious Satan is cursed because he has sworn to take a portion of humans and that:
‘… And I will mislead them, and I will arouse in them [sinful] desires, and I will command them so they will slit the ears of cattle, and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah ." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss. …’

Quran 17:61-66 relating the story when the angels were ordered to prostrate to Adam, quotes Iblees' (Satan) objection to prostrate to one made of clay, vowing that ‘I will surely destroy his descendants, except for a few’. Granting Iblees respite till the Day of Resurrection, he is given permission to: ‘Go, for whoever of them follows you, indeed Hell will be the recompense of you - an ample recompense. And incite [to senselessness] whoever you can among them with your voice and assault them with your horses and foot soldiers and become a partner in their wealth and their children and promise them.’

The Quran 2:200-210 discusses the types of pilgrims who undertake the Hajj. Then Q2:204-206 inform us: And of the people (is the one) who pleases you (with) his speech in the life (of) the world, and he calls to witness Allah on what (is) in his heart, and he (is) the most quarrelsome (of) opponents. And when he turns away he strives in the earth to spread corruption [in it], and destroys the crops and progeny. And Allah (does) not love [the] corruption. And when it is said to him "Fear Allah," takes him (his) pride to [the] sins. Then enough for him (is) Hell - [and] surely an evil [the] resting-place.

The Quran 2:208 then commands us thus: O you who believe[d]! Enter in Islam completely, and (do) not follow footsteps (of) the Shaitaan. Indeed, he (is) for you an enemy open.

Annihilated Civilisations
Quran Chapter 29 mentions the people to whom Noah, Abraham, Lot and Shoaib were sent, and the visionary civilisations of A’d and Samood, and then names the arrogant Qarun, Haman and Firoan (Pharoah), to whom Moses was sent. Verse 40 informs us that: ‘So each We seized for his sin; and among them were those upon whom We sent a storm of stones, and among them were those who were seized by the blast [from the sky], and among them were those whom We caused the earth to swallow, and among them were those whom We drowned. And Allah would not have wronged them, but it was they who were wronging themselves.’

Biblical Predictions
Quran 29:43 asserts that though these examples are being presented, none will understand it except the learned / knowledgable. Quran 29:46 states that: And (do) not argue (with the) People of the Book except by which [it] (is) best, except those who (do) wrong among them, and say, "We believe in that (which) has been revealed to us and was revealed to you. And our God and your God (is) One, and we to Him submit.”

So, what do the books of the People of the Book say about these past civilisations? The following passages of the Bible help comprehend the meanings of the Quranic passages further:
Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 17:26-30 both foretell that as was in the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man be. The Luke 17 passage compares the coming to the days of Lot as well.

What was the sin of these civilisations? If polytheism is the sin, there are many polytheists in the world today. If sexual perversity was the sin, there are many indulging in gay relationships today. What degree of transgression and corruption had these civilisations crossed which merited their destruction? And why did they have to be destroyed?

Half-Human Hybrid Giants
According to the Quran 71:27, when Noah finally prays to God for deliverance, he is worried that if God spares any one of these people, they will beget a disbelieving, wicked child. A few verses earlier, Quran 71:23, Noah quotes the corrupters from among his people, who had conspired an immense conspiracy, to have said to the people: ‘And said, 'Never leave your gods and never leave Wadd or Suwa' or Yaghuth and Ya'uq and Nasr’.

From Biblical accounts, Genesis 6:2-4, we read about the half-human hybrid giants, who were the children of the sons of God and the daughters of men. It states that ‘the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown’.

Sons of God: according to the Quran 34:41, it is the jinns who are worshipped as gods, and according to Quran 37:158 the polytheists make the jinns lineage with God.

Quran 66:10 presents the examples of wife of Noah and the wife of Lot as disbelievers who were punished for their crime. Quran 11:42-46 relates the conversation between Noah and his son, and later with God: ‘And Nuh (Noah) called out to his Lord; so said, "Lord! Surely my son is of my family, and surely Your promise is the truth, and You are The Most Judicious of judges.” Said He, "O Nuh, (Noah) surely he is not of your family; surely it is a deed not (Literally: other than being righteous) righteous; so do not ask of Me that of which you have no knowledge. Surely I admonish you that you should not be among the ignorant."’

The wife of Lot is mentioned at least six times in the Quran as one of those punished.

Regarding the people of Lot, Quran 29:28-30, it states: ‘And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Indeed, you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds. Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil." … He said, "My Lord, support me against the corrupting people.” ’

Were these people abducting non-human males and performing experiments with them? And was this an organised crime, sanctioned by the state? From Quran 11:78-79 we learn that the people have ‘no claim’ to Lot’s daughters. Did they ‘have claim’ to males or to non-humans or specifically to non-human males only? It seems that the transgressions that these people were practicing had been given the protection of Law by their government. In Quran 26:165-166, Lot is quoted questioning them: ‘Do you approach males among the worlds And leave what your Lord has created for you as mates? But you are a people transgressing.’

The day before the punishment of the people of Lot, when his people come for his guests, from Quran 15:70-72 we learn that Lot had been forbidden by his people from (protecting/meeting?) the worlds. Lot is quoted as stating that his daughters are purer for them. Lot’s daughters were humans, while the guests were non-human messengers of God.

What was the purpose of approaching males of the worlds instead of the mates the Lord had created for them but to create hybrid creatures? People of Noah were indulging in cross-breeding jinns and humans, while the People of Lot went further to commit such immorality as no one had preceded them in the worlds! What were they corrupting? The genetic code of all life-forms?

It seems that humans have repeatedly erred, with various civilisations having indulged in cross-breeding. Hence, it is not surprising that we come across verses in Leviticus 18-20 specifically forbidding cross-breeding and other harmful practices.

Mythology is replete with legends of gods and goddesses, and their interactions with humans.

Mighty giants, hybrid monsters and strange creatures are the characters that dwell in these incredulous stories. Were these imaginary creatures in the minds of story-tellers or were these real-life creatures that roamed the earth and inspired stories that have endured through millennia and are still part of the pantheon of polytheists?

Comparative studies in mythology have uncovered a number of parallels between the myths of different cultures. Cultures around the world tell stories about a great flood such as the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, Hindu Mythology, Aztec Mythology, Greek Myth of Deucalion, The Norse Ragnarok, the Bible and the Quran.

As Quran 69:11-12 states: ‘Surely We bore you in the ship when the water rose high, So that We may make it a reminder to you, and that the retaining ear might retain it.’

Archaeological Evidence
Quran 40:82 asks: ‘Have they not traveled through the land and observed how was the end of those before them? They were more numerous than themselves and greater in strength and in impression on the land, but they were not availed by what they used to earn.’

Archaeological remains bear witness to the claim that there dwelt some very mighty civilisations in ancient times, whose ruins indicate that such constructions must have required great bodily strength and/or technology, knowledge of math, astronomy and other sciences, and a fine sense of aesthetics. Stone megaliths, lost cities, ancient gigantic canal networks, and other such findings all point to a grand past of some mighty civilisations!

Statues and engravings of mythological creatures are found in many of these ruins. Some of the imagery and symbolism is echoed across several ancient civilisations, hinting at some common origin.

Quranic Predictions
The Quran 27:76-77 states that this Quran relates to the Children of Israel most of that over which they disagree, and that indeed it is a guidance and a mercy for the believers:

The Beast
Quran 27:82 warns us that: ‘And when the word is fulfilled against them, We shall produce from the earth a Beast to them: he will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs.’

Referring back to Quran 71:27, Noah worries that if God spares any one of the corrupters, they will beget a disbelieving, wicked child.

Muslims await the coming of Dajjal, and Christians await the coming of the Anti-Christ. Will the ‘beast’ mentioned in Quran 27:82 be a hybrid creature who is the result of cross-breeding? Does the ‘beast’ refer to Dajjal, who is mentioned in non-Quranic sources? Muslims expect the ‘dajjal’ to be one-eyed. Mythology is full of one-eyed monsters! Modern media attempts to make one-eyed monsters adorable cartoon characters!

The Flood
Among the Quranic predictions for the end of times is the heating and overflowing of the seas!

Regarding the Flood which destroyed the people of Noah, Quran 23:27 speaks of ‘the fountains of the earth gush forth’ or ‘the oven gusheth water’, and Quran 54:11-12 ‘… caused the earth to gush forth springs, so that the waters met for a predestined purpose.’

Both the Quran and the Bible seem to be pointing to the inevitable, wilful genetic corruption of humans, the re-emergence of monstrous creatures that mythology is replete with, the coming of the Beast, and the eventual destruction of the creatures through a flood!

However, the Quran is repeatedly inviting to faith, with glad tidings and warnings. The life of this world is temporary and destined to end, but the life in the Hereafter is to last forever, or till God wills. Where we spend our future life depends on the choices we make now.

Quran 8:24 O you who believe! Respond to Allah and His Messenger when he calls you to what gives you life. And know that Allah comes (in) between a man and his heart, and that to Him you will be gathered.

As explained in the following verses:
Quran 18:55 And nothing prevents men from believing when the guidance comes to them, and from asking forgiveness of their Lord, except that what happened to the ancients should overtake them, or that the chastisement should come face to face with them.

Quran 29:41-42 The example of those who take allies other than Allah is like that of the spider who takes a home. And indeed, the weakest of homes is the home of the spider, if they only knew. Indeed, Allah knows whatever thing they call upon other than Him. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

Quran 30:40-43 ‘It is Allah who has created you: further, He has provided for your sustenance; then He will cause you to die; and again He will give you life. Are there any of your (false) “partners” who can do any single one of these things? Glory to Him! and High is He above the partners they attribute (to Him). Mischief has appeared on land and sea because of (the meed) that the hands of men have earned. That (Allah) may give them a taste of some of their deeds: in order that they may turn back (from evil). Say: “Travel through the earth and see what was the end of those before (you): Most of them worshipped others besides Allah.” But set thou thy face to the right religion, before there comes from Allah the Day which there is no chance of averting: on that Day shall men be divided (in two).’

A question that comes to mind is that though the corrupters who create these hybrids are wilfully indulging in this crime, what about the hybrids themselves? Is it their fault that their genome is the way it is? Will they be judged for what was beyond their control or will? God knows the answer to that. However, for the humans who participate or assist in this act, they must be judged, as indicated by these verses:

Quran 33:72-73 Lo! We offered the trust unto the heavens and the earth and the hills, but they shrank from bearing it and were afraid of it. And man assumed it. Lo! he hath proved a tyrant and a fool. So Allah punisheth hypocritical men and hypocritical women, and idolatrous men and idolatrous women. But Allah pardoneth believing men and believing women, and Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Quran 7:172-174 And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." Or [lest] you say, "It was only that our fathers associated [others in worship] with Allah before, and we were but descendants after them. Then would You destroy us for what the falsifiers have done?" And thus do We [explain in] detail the verses, and perhaps they will return.

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I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven
Dr (Pr) Thomas Mathai, Bombay -- Sunday, 17 September 2017, 11:05 pm
Re: I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven
Muhindram Imsid, Ludhiana India -- Sunday, 17 September 2017, 11:06 pm
Re: I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven
Samiya Illias, Canada -- Sunday, 17 September 2017, 11:10 pm
Re: I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven
WileMD, California -- Sunday, 17 September 2017, 11:12 pm
Re: I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven
Ali Syed New Jersey -- Monday, 18 September 2017, 12:31 pm
Re: I see and speak to Jesus, seen hell & heaven
shad -- Saturday, 23 September 2017, 12:26 pm