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Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:02 pm
In Response To: Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray (jawaid ahmed,uk)

You wrote: “Salat according to you is a physical act and to me is a general word that means we have to closely follow what Allah has revealed in everything we do, 24/7, personally and socially, society wise. Your understanding must have a verse stating what I am asking for, a physical act requires this proof, but my concept understanding needs only the mentioning of salat in verses which can be easily understood in the context of the verses it is in.”

Jawaid bhai, what a wonderful criterion to judge what you stated. My analyses of salat based on lexicons, grammar, tasreef, context, and continued practice for last 1400 years, need stronger proof vis-� -vis yours, only needing to mention it some confused way, despite the fact neither grammar, nor tasreef, nor context is supporting your wishful thinking? It is self-explanatory how deluded you are, I don’t have to say more.

You wrote: “Without exact, clear, unambiguous verses in the Quran to back up what we are supposed to do, we are left with:”

This is your error, Quran is very clear, unambiguous and Mubeen, provided you let your notions go.

You wrote: “No verse in the Quran giving us the clear instructions of a physical namaz ritual.”

Are you now busy slandering prophet and God both. Prophet did not know how to implement 4:102 and so many other such verses?

You wrote: “No verse in the Quran telling us to do a physical salat as you see the Messenger do it.”

God asking companions to do behind prophet in 4:102, yet you cannot see the verse they doing it behind him?

You wrote: “No verse in the Quran giving us the details of the rituals given to Abraham who we are supposed to get the namaz ritual from.”

See 2:125.

You wrote: “No verse in the Quran backing up fairy tale stories about first contact and revelation of other things given to the Messenger not in the Quran.”

Haha, see an entire suite of verses of chap 53.

You wrote: “No verse in the Quran that says remembrance of Allah is to repeat multiple times a day verses back to Him.”

This is your ignorance you bring to bear on Quran, confusing what Quran says and what people do.

You wrote: “No verse in the Quran that says bowing and prostrating is a physical act required for a namaz ritual.”

I haven’t gotten to Sujood yet, I will show you what it is.

You wrote: “No verse in the Quran saying we should physically face the Kabbah during a namaz ritual.”

See 2:144, 2:149-150.

You wrote: Dawood, “I am asking for exact verses and you are cobbling stories together from the Quran and hadith/traditions to back up your beliefs.
When will you learn?”

I have provided you the exact verses above. All of your questions and more can be answered through such verses provide you let your preconceived notions go, stick with lexicon, grammar, and tasreef, context, etc. However, God may still fail to guide the folks devoid of logic and reason.

I am always learning, but not the way you desire.

Best Regards
Dawood

Messages In This Thread

Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 27 July 2017, 8:41 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Rashid Jawaid -- Friday, 28 July 2017, 8:14 am
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Sidqi.ca -- Friday, 28 July 2017, 7:05 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Sunday, 30 July 2017, 6:32 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Mubashir, Canada -- Sunday, 30 July 2017, 6:34 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 31 July 2017, 7:59 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 1 August 2017, 7:40 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 9:45 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:01 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:02 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Yusuf, Texas -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 7:59 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 10:03 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:15 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 7:55 pm