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Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:01 am
In Response To: Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray (Dawood, USA)

Dawood Bhai, you have stated that the namaz we have today was given to the Messenger in revelation that is not in the Quran, or they were doing namaz already but needed tinkering with to get it back to the ritual given to Abraham. To prove that we can follow what the Messenger said or did that is not in the Quran, I want an exact, clear, unambiguous verse in the Quran that states we are allowed to follow the hadith and sunnah of the Messenger, and, regarding salat, the exact, clear, unambiguous verse in the Quran that states we are told that we SHOULD PRAY LIKE YOU SEE THE MESSENGER DOING.

Salat according to you is a physical act and to me is a general word that means we have to closely follow what Allah has revealed in everything we do, 24/7, personally and socially, society wise. Your understanding must have a verse stating what I am asking for, a physical act requires this proof, but my concept understanding needs only the mentioning of salat in verses which can be easily understood in the context of the verses it is in.

Without exact, clear, unambiguous verses in the Quran to back up what we are supposed to do, we are left with:

No verse in the Quran giving us the clear instructions of a physical namaz ritual.
No verse in the Quran telling us to do a physical salat as you see the Messenger do it.
No verse in the Quran giving us the details of the rituals given to Abraham who we are supposed to get the namaz ritual from.
No verse in the Quran backing up fairy tale stories about first contact and revelation of other things given to the Messenger not in the Quran.
No verse in the Quran that says remembrance of Allah is to repeat multiple times a day verses back to Him.
No verse in the Quran that says bowing and prostrating is a physical act required for a namaz ritual.
No verse in the Quran saying we should physically face the Kabbah during a namaz ritual.

Dawood, I am asking for exact verses and you are cobbling stories together from the Quran and hadith/traditions to back up your beliefs.
When will you learn?

Messages In This Thread

Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 27 July 2017, 8:41 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Rashid Jawaid -- Friday, 28 July 2017, 8:14 am
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Sidqi.ca -- Friday, 28 July 2017, 7:05 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Sunday, 30 July 2017, 6:32 pm
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Mubashir, Canada -- Sunday, 30 July 2017, 6:34 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 31 July 2017, 7:59 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 1 August 2017, 7:40 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 9:45 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:01 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:02 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Yusuf, Texas -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 7:59 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 10:03 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:15 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 7:55 pm