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Re: Adam and Noah .
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Tuesday, 1 August 2017, 10:59 am
In Response To: Adam and Noah . (Grantworld)

3:33 (The Qur’an is the Final Perfected guidance for all humanity. But God has elected Messengers before to convey His messages.) Indeed, God did choose Adam and Noah (Nooh), and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above all people of their times.
[Adam = Aadam = The human ancestor = The first Homo sapiens = Allegorically, Adami, the first humans = Mankind = Possibly a prominent early human = Perhaps a Prophet, but the chain of Prophets begins with Noah. See 4:163, 6:80-85]

In Arabic the ‘wa’ is ‘and’ in English but it does not necessarily mean two separate things.
For example, I can say I have an apple and a banana, two separate fruit, but if I say I have a fruit ‘wa’ apple, this can have the meaning of the apple is the fruit I am speaking about, not that I have a piece of fruit and a separate apple.

With 3:33 above, God is saying that he chose from Adam, mankind, Messengers named Noah, Abraham , etc and not that Adam was a Messenger or the first man.

QXVI: Prophets named in the Qur’an:
[Adam indicates early humans. Many scholars consider Adam the first Prophet as well.] Nooh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya’qoob (Jacob), Yusuf (Joseph), Musa (Moses), Haroon (Aaron), Daud (David), Sulaiman (Solomon), Zakariya (Zacharias), Yahya (John the Baptist), ‘Isa (Jesus), Elias (Elijah), Yunus (Jonah), Lut (Lot), Ayub (Job), Al-Yasa’ (Elisha), Zal-Kifl (Ezekiel), Idrees (Enoch), Sho’aib (Jethro), Hud (Eber), Saleh, Muhammad.

21:85 Also remember Ishmael, Enoch (Idrees) and Ezekiel (Zal-Kifl), all were among the steadfast. [Ezekiel was one of the Israelite tribal Prophets in the 6th century BC]

Here Enoch is mentioned after Ishmael, so after Noah.

In the Bible, Enoch was the son of Jared (Genesis 5:19–21), the father of Methuselah, and the great-grandfather of Noah. ... Regim and Gaidad are also mentioned as his sons according to 2 Enoch. The Bible says that Enoch lived 365 years before he was taken by God.

You can chose the forged Bible or the perfect Quran. Or quote me a verse where Enoch is mentioned chronologically before Noah, not an opinion.

Messages In This Thread

Adam and Noah .
Grantworld -- Sunday, 30 July 2017, 10:04 pm
Re: Adam and Noah
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Monday, 31 July 2017, 12:38 am
Re: Adam and Noah .
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 1 August 2017, 10:59 am
Re: Adam and Noah .
Eli Grantworld -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 5:47 pm