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Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
By:Mubashir, Canada
Date: Sunday, 30 July 2017, 6:32 pm
In Response To: Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray (Sidqi.ca)

[From my archives - sharing a comment by Br Irfan]

"........I can guarantee that no one can ever learn how to pray from the Hadith alone. There are hundreds of ahadith that tell bits and pieces of different stories about how to pray. The best that the Pharisees of our time can come up is the hadith that reports the Prophet (sws) as saying "Pray as you see me praying". Well, according to this hadith, we should do the same. We should pray as we "see the Prophet praying". I am sure you see him praying everyday, don't you, brothers and sisters.
And how about if I say to you as Chemistry teacher "Study Chemistry as you see me studying it"! Would you call me a good teacher of Chemistry?

Is there any hadith in which the Prophet of Allah actually DEMONSTRARED to believers as to how to pray???? I mean, isn't a teacher supposed to demonstrate rather than just saying "Pray as you see me praying". Don’t you notice many ahadith that begin with "he saw/heard the Prophet doing that". Does just seeing a teacher doing something make a teacher excellent? Isn’t a teacher supposed to hold classes, halaqas, formal training sessions?

If you go through these ahadith related to Salat, you will note that most of these ahadith are just answers to people’s questions—no actual ‘teaching’ by the Prophet is seen in these stories because there is not a single report that he ever gathered people, held a former class or session teaching them how to pray. Still they call all these ahadith ‘teaching’.

Now I am posting a famous "Sahih" (whatever that means) in which the Prophet actually TAUGHT a believer how to pray COMPREHENSIVELY (I could find only one hadith of demonstration; if there are some others, please post):

""When you intend to observe the Prayer, first perform Wudu well; then face the Qiblah and begin the Prayer with Takbir (Allah o Akbar) then recite Al Fatihah and after it some easy passage; then bend down in Ruku’ and observe it with perfect peace; then stand up erect; then go down in Sajdah and observe it with perfect peace; then rise from Sajdah and sit upright, and then complete your Prayer in the same manner with perfect calmness and tranquility”. (Bukhari and Muslim)""

This hadith is allegedly in response to someone who could not do the Salat "properly" and the Prophet "corrected" him. Study this hadith and you will note that:

1. Before the Salat, you must do wudu (4:6).

2. Face the Qibla and do the Takbir (Allhau akbar).

3. Recite Sura Fatiha and then some other sura/passage from the Qur’an.

4. Bend down in Ruku' in perfect peace (reflection), then stand up erect

5. Go down in Sajdah in perfect state of peace (reflect).

6. Rise from the Sajdah and sit upright and complete the prayer.

This is how the Prophet (allegedly) taught how to offer the "Salat".

NOW, the following points can EASILY and CERTAINLY be extracted from this Hadith:

1. There is ONLY ONE rak'at in the Salat (ALL the Salats).

2. There is ONLY ONE Sajdah in the Salat (ALL the Salats).

3. There is NO "Tasleem" or any special way how to end the prayer.
and,

4. There is no instruction of turning face left and right at the end of the Salat (buck up Shias!!!!!). See 2:177.

Sooooo, how do the "Muslims" pray? Do they follow this particular Hadith? Heck no! They follow the same mullahs they ALWAYS follow. For them, Mullah is ABOVE the Qur'an as well as above the Hadith. Mullah uses Hadith ONLY if it suits him and his power..."

Messages In This Thread

Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 27 July 2017, 8:41 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Rashid Jawaid -- Friday, 28 July 2017, 8:14 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Sidqi.ca -- Friday, 28 July 2017, 7:05 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Mubashir, Canada -- Sunday, 30 July 2017, 6:32 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Mubashir, Canada -- Sunday, 30 July 2017, 6:34 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 31 July 2017, 7:59 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 1 August 2017, 7:40 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 9:45 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:01 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:02 pm
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Yusuf, Texas -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 7:59 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 10:03 pm
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 8:15 am
Re: Pray as you see the Messenger pray
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 3 August 2017, 7:55 pm