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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, and Other (jawaid ahmed
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Thursday, 6 July 2017, 7:43 am

Brother Dawood, I gave you numerous verses which stated that the only Message given to the Messenger was the Quran which was all he was told to follow, judge by, pass on to us etc. Where does the Quran say he had other ‘revelation’ not recorded in the Quran?

Our Messages=Quran, Muhammad followed only the messages
46:7 But when Our clear messages are conveyed to them, the rejecters say of the truth as soon as it reaches them, “This is obviously a magical lie.” [Sihr = Magic = Lie = Delusion = Spellbinding eloquence = Amazing = Incredible]
46:8 Or do they say, “He has invented all this?” Say, "If I have invented it, still you have no power to support me against God. He is fully Aware of your reckless flight of imagination. He suffices as a Witness between me and you. And He is the Forgiving, the Merciful." [You shall come to know what you now do not. And the Forgiving, the Merciful God has ordained the Law of Respite for you 37:175, 39:39]
46:9 Say, "I am not the first of the Messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I do but follow what is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner."

The Quran Was The Only Revelation Given To The Messenger
6:19 Say (O Messenger), "What could be the greatest witness?” Say, “God is Witness between me and you. This Qur’an has been revealed to me so that I may warn you as well as whomever it reaches. Do you bear witness that there are other deities besides God?” Say, “I bear no such witness.” Say, “He is the One God. I disown what you associate with Him.”
6:20 Those who have been given the scripture, recognize this (Message) as they recognize their sons. Yet those who have squandered their own ‘self’ fail to accept such undeniable truth.
6:21 Who can be a greater transgressor than the one who invents a lie against God and denies His revelations? Those who choose to do wrong, will not succeed.

100% Prohibition On Following Man Made Hadith
7:185 Can they not see (and correlate what he tells them with) the Dominion of the heavens and the earth and what Allah has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their own life may be near (hence the time to make the right decisions is not unlimited)? What HADITH besides the Qur’an, are they going to believe after him?

The Messenger To Only Convey The Quran

14:1 A.L.R. Alif–Laam–Ra (Allah, Lateef the Unfathomable, Raaziq the Provider, states that), A Divine Writ this is that We have revealed to you (O Prophet) so that you may bring forth all mankind, by their Lord’s leave, out of darkness into light. On to the way that leads to the Almighty, the Owner of all praise. [14:5, 33:43]

The Messenger to Convey the Quran-Not His Hadith
27:91 Say (O Prophet), “I am commanded to serve the Lord of this town (Makkah) – Him Who has made it sacred, and to Whom all things belong. And I am commanded to be of those who surrender to Him.
27:92 And to convey this Qur’an (to mankind). Whoever, then, goes right, goes right only for the good of his own ‘self’. As for him who goes astray, say, “I am only a warner

6:112 Remember, We have appointed to every Prophet enemies. The rebellious among the urban and the rural populations rose in opposition (since the Message struck at their personal interests.) They plotted and inspired each other with fancy words. If your Lord willed, they would not do that. Disregard them and whatever they fabricate.
6:113 Those who love quick gains and neglect the long-term benefits and the Hereafter, are parties to such fabrications. Let them delight in it and let them earn from it what they may.
6:114 Say, “Shall I seek for Judge and Ruler someone other than God? He is the One Who has revealed this Book, well expounded in detail for you.” Those whom We have given the Book know that this is revealed in truth from your Lord. Be not among those who argue for the sake of argument.
6:115 Perfected is the Word of your Lord in truth and justice. None can change His Words. He is the Profound Hearer, the Knower. [6:34, 6:115, 10:64, 17:77, 18:27, 33:38, 33:62, 40:85, 48:23]

Dawood: Great question! A believer’s duty is to ponder over these verses and then implement these in one’s life. Why God did this, not that, etc. are God’s prerogatives. Mortals cannot question God, rather He will question them. In Quran, there are at least two rites handed down to us from Ibrahim. Those are Salat and Hajj. In both cases, the main principal elements are mentioned clearly, leaving minor details to the exalted prophet. For salat, those main physical elements are Qiam, Ruku, and Sujood.

Answer:
‘Rites’ handed down from Abraham confirmed by Quran = monotheism belief in one God
Rites about salat and hajj, allegedly given to Abraham not mentioned in the Quran in context with Abraham, neither mentioned when addressing salat and hajj in other verses. Hence these rites are not confirmed by Quran.

Dawood: “every innovated practice in Islam” was not there when these verses were revealed, rather innovation occurred when Quran was neglected years following the departure of exalted prophet. Neglecting Quran does not need so called Hadith-conspiracy. It is still going on by those who claim to follow the Quran, as an example, yet they don’t rely on Hadith. So where is the problem? Not in this verse or the verses of the Quran, rather within the soul of those who pretend to get rid of real and imagined innovations.
N2I is what is not found in Quran. If something is found in Quran, though you don’t agree with it for whatever reason, it does not become N2I. Salat is one of the fundamental commands in Quran. Its basic and fundamental elements are mentioned in Quran and are practiced even by so called N2I.

Answer:
Innovation has taken the form of changing the meaning of words to the mindless physical rituals of salat=prayer, and physically bowing/prostrating when birdie and our shadows verses clearly demonstrate that submitting to the commands of Allah is asked of us. Abusing the understanding of the Quran in this way makes the fundamental elements non Quranic, and this is practiced by N2I, not Quranic Islam

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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, and Other (jawaid ahmed
Noman Waseem, NJ -- Monday, 26 June 2017, 5:32 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 27 June 2017, 6:32 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 28 June 2017, 7:24 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 28 June 2017, 9:59 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 7:26 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 9:23 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 30 June 2017, 7:35 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 30 June 2017, 10:31 pm
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Asif -- Saturday, 1 July 2017, 12:19 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 1 July 2017, 3:28 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 5 July 2017, 10:06 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 7:43 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 9:44 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 7 July 2017, 7:28 am
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dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 11 July 2017, 5:41 pm
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Asif -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 6:20 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 2:23 pm
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Asif -- Saturday, 8 July 2017, 5:48 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 8 July 2017, 2:48 pm
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Asif -- Sunday, 9 July 2017, 3:36 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 10 July 2017, 7:45 am