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Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
By:Yusuf, Texas
Date: Sunday, 2 July 2017, 8:41 pm
In Response To: Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ] (Shravan India)

Dear Shravan,
My post actually highlights the same concerns that you have voiced. However, even Prophet (S) or any Prophet before him, never taught us to recite like parrots, Qur’an confirms it. The Prophet (S) taught only and exactly what the Quran taught. Nothing more, nothing less! You don’t need to wish two or more times incessantly to make Allah listen to you. He is closer to you than your vena cava.

With reference to Shia accounts on Hazrat Fatima's (RA) beads, it was reported in Makarim al-Akhlaq that it was made of woven wool threads which had knots by the number of Takbir (Allahu Akbar), until when Hamza Ibn Abdal Muttalib (A) was martyred, she made them from the mud of his grave.

Imam Sadiq (A) said: "Beads should be made with BLUE THREAD and thirty four (34) beads, which was the way Fatima's beads were made after Hamza's martyrdom."

Compare with Torah, Book of Numbers, Chapter 15:37-40:

37 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying:
38 ‘Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them throughout their generations fringes in the corners of their garments, and that they put with the fringe of each corner a THREAD OF BLUE.
39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye go not about after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go astray;
40 that ye may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy unto your God.

We find the act of MALA JAPNA , which is reciting on rosary beads in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jains. Mala, basically, a beaded lace, is a string of prayer beads commonly used for the spiritual practice known in Sanskrit as japa. It is usually made from 108 beads, though other numbers are also used. Malas are used for keeping count while reciting, chanting, or mentally repeating a mantra or the name or names of a deity. (Wikipedia)

Compare the N2I Tasbeeh (Mala) with N2I Dhikr (Japa).

It is amazing to find so many traits that Mullas have so effortlessly plagiarized from other religions:

Mantras are typically repeated hundreds or even thousands of times. The mala is used so that one can focus on the meaning or sound of the mantra rather than counting its repetitions. One repetition is usually said for each bead while turning the thumb clockwise around each bead, though some traditions or practices may call for counterclockwise motion or specific finger usage. When arriving at the head bead, one turns the mala around and then goes back in the opposing direction. There are typically knots between each bead. This makes using the mala easier as the beads will not be as tight on the string when used.

If more than 108 repetitions are to be done, then sometimes in Tibetan traditions grains of rice are counted out before the chanting begins and one grain is placed in a bowl for each 108 repetitions. Each time a full mala of repetitions has been completed, one grain of rice is removed from the bowl. Often, practitioners add extra counters to their malas, usually in strings of ten. These may be positioned differently depending on the tradition; for example some traditions place these strings after every 10th bead. This is an alternative way to keep track of large numbers, sometimes going into the hundreds of thousands, and even millions.

The 109th bead on a mala is called the sumeru, bindu, stupa, or guru bead. Counting should always begin with a bead next to the sumeru. In the Hindu, Vedic tradition, if more than one mala of repetitions is to be done, one changes directions when reaching the sumeru rather than crossing it.

Messages In This Thread

Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
abdalaziz ariff / indiana -- Sunday, 2 July 2017, 1:12 pm
Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
Yusuf, Texas -- Sunday, 2 July 2017, 4:19 pm
Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
Shravan India -- Sunday, 2 July 2017, 6:32 pm
Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
Yusuf, Texas -- Sunday, 2 July 2017, 8:41 pm
Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
M. Amin, Riyadh -- Monday, 3 July 2017, 1:29 am
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Ahsan Sarosh Atlanta -- Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 10:01 pm
Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
Badr US -- Sunday, 2 July 2017, 2:22 pm
Re: Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima [ RA ]
Yusuf, Texas -- Sunday, 2 July 2017, 8:47 pm