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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, and Other (jawaid ahmed
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Thursday, 29 June 2017, 9:23 pm
In Response To: Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, and Other (jawaid ahmed (jawaid ahmed,uk)

You wrote: “There is no choice to do a Quranic sanctioned physical prayer or not do it in the same way I can choose not to do abstinence in Ramadan, ignore the do not eat etc. as the 'do not eat' equivalent instructions are not there in the Quran.”

This 'do not eat' is indeed what I call bringing in your desires to read what you want to, not what the verse says. You want to see “exact words” the way you want them to see, else the command is neither clear nor is for you. God says His verses are clear, Mubeen, you say otherwise, this and that not there. I am sorry, brother you are wandering left and right, cannot find a way unless you set aside your notions “what it should say” and look at it “what it is saying.”

You write: “The fact is that the Quran does not say repeat Surah 1, fives times a day, at dawn, etc, a requirement of the namaz ritual, does not link it with any verse with the word salat in, so is another none Quranic act performed.”

Salat with its fixed timings, dawn etc. are clearly mentioned, I haven’t gotten to these yet. Yes, it does not say you read which Surah, in that sense you can read what you want, yet salat needs be done standing to begin with, concluding after prostration, and at fixed times. Reading chapter 1 is prophetic way, a beautiful way, Muslims who followed him did it the way he did it. You cannot claim to follow the Quran yet neglect its verses since you cannot see what you want to see in the Quran.

You wrote: “Repeating a supplication to show us the right path when the right path is there is a once only event if you accept the Quran as a Book that gives the right path.”
Why do you need wudu for every Salat if it is a once only event? What relationship does it has with “following the commands” as per your translation of Salat? Do you make Wudu every time you follow a command of Allah? If Wudu is a ritual, what follows it cannot be? You are completely deluded, my brother.

You wrote: Your Salat 1-5 is based on none Quranic sourced revelation which is complete fiction, made up to justify what is not in the Quran, so is not a matter of accept this or not but whether we accept a falsehood to justify innovated acts.

Did I quote any non-quranic reference so far to conclude what I did? You want me and everyone else to believe in this fiction of yours that Salat “innovated acts?” You don’t bring an iota of evidence in support of this untenable assertion of yours, yet you want us to believe, somehow entire Muslim body starting from prophet onward up until late 20th century fell to a grand conspiracy of “innovated acts.” Only a delusional mind can come up with such wild notions. No rational argument is possible with such minds.

Best Regards
Dawood

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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, and Other (jawaid ahmed
Noman Waseem, NJ -- Monday, 26 June 2017, 5:32 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 27 June 2017, 6:32 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 28 June 2017, 7:24 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 28 June 2017, 9:59 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 7:26 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 9:23 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 30 June 2017, 7:35 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 30 June 2017, 10:31 pm
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Asif -- Saturday, 1 July 2017, 12:19 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 1 July 2017, 3:28 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 5 July 2017, 10:06 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 7:43 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 9:44 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 7 July 2017, 7:28 am
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dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 11 July 2017, 5:41 pm
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Asif -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 6:20 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 2:23 pm
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Asif -- Saturday, 8 July 2017, 5:48 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 8 July 2017, 2:48 pm
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Asif -- Sunday, 9 July 2017, 3:36 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 10 July 2017, 7:45 am