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Re: Salat= duty, sam gerrans
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Monday, 26 June 2017, 7:19 pm
In Response To: Re: Salat= duty, sam gerrans (jawaid ahmed,uk)

You wrote: “But you made no comment regarding what Parwez Saheeb wrote … Any intellectual comments on the following: Parwez, under Salat, s.l.w, says everything knows its DUTIES, same as Sam Gerrans.”

It is stemming from the confusion of English word “Duty.” As per google, this word means: 1. a moral or legal obligation; a responsibility. 2. a task or action that someone is required to perform.”

The (1) Above is ruled out. The (2) above cannot be used in connection with entities having “instincts.” You cannot use “duty or duties” in connection with computers, machines, etc., which are programmed to do certain things. Same way, all beings other than humans are programmed, resulting in instincts.

Further, as I explained in the thread under 24:41, Salat in this verse is not referring to “birds in flight.” Rather, it is referring to humans since the operating words in this verse are referring to “everything including humans”.

Thus, the above claim is not tenable to say the least.

You wrote: “All say we have duties to perform to be muslim.”

Yes, indeed we have duties to perform. Please note, it is plural “duties.” Salat is one of such duties. Some duties including Salat are mentioned in [2:177]:

[2:177]: Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is:
(1) one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and
(2) gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves;
(3) [and who] STAND TO PRAY (OR STAND IN PRAYERS)
(4) and gives zakah;
(5) [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise;
(6) and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during stress. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.

Do you see how Salat (prayer) is one of the six duties to be performed, inserted more or less in the middle. Anyone is welcome to put their favorite definitioin of “salat” in (3) above and then see how apples and oranges get mixed up.

Best Regards
Dawood

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m ahmed -- Tuesday, 20 June 2017, 2:43 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 21 June 2017, 7:50 pm
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Mohammad IL -- Thursday, 22 June 2017, 3:38 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 22 June 2017, 7:21 am
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Mohammad IL -- Thursday, 22 June 2017, 3:45 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 22 June 2017, 8:39 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 23 June 2017, 7:14 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 23 June 2017, 11:17 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 22 June 2017, 8:37 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 23 June 2017, 7:36 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 23 June 2017, 11:07 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 24 June 2017, 8:40 am
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 26 June 2017, 7:19 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 27 June 2017, 8:29 am
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 27 June 2017, 9:41 pm
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Ilyas Husain -- Saturday, 10 March 2018, 5:32 pm
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Zia, Tx -- Monday, 12 March 2018, 3:53 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 13 March 2018, 8:57 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 14 March 2018, 8:59 am
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Ilyas Husain -- Tuesday, 13 March 2018, 11:31 am
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Ilyas Husain -- Wednesday, 14 March 2018, 2:09 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 14 March 2018, 3:53 pm