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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, and Other (jawaid ahmed
By:Noman Waseem, NJ
Date: Monday, 26 June 2017, 5:32 pm

AOA and sorry, I don't mean to revive a post from the past, but it seems the discussion is alive and well, so continuing from this post http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119245080:

Having gone through some of the posts again, I'm left with a couple of questions for Dawood bhai if you don't mind:

- Perhaps I missed it, but I'm not sure I got a clear answer to this question: does establishing Salaat unambiguously mean and equate to performing prayer?

- Is it safe to assume that you agree that Namaaz is not what the Qur'an was referring to when it said to "establish Salaat"?

- If I've understood you right, your diagnosis of the problem with the Muslim world today, at least as it relates to Salaat, is that Muslims all over the world are performing prayer in a disconnected manner and without applying the lessons learned therein to their daily lives. And a corollary being that the problem isn't with the form Salaat takes, namely as prayer, but with its application as Namaaz. If so, then my question to you is, what is an ideal prayer for you? In other words, realistic or not, how would you describe your most idealistic understanding of what Salaat being established looks like provided it was done so by a group of agreeably enlightened individuals? For example, is it the reading, discussion, and encouragement for following of the Qur'an in a communal setting?

- Do you see sujud as a physical component of said prayer? If so, how do you account for the clearly allegorical uses of sujud throughout the Qur'an, such as our shadows bowing (13:15), angels bowing (16:49), pretty much everything bowing (22:18) before God? And if all these things can bow, then why can't all these things also know their Salaat when that is the clearest reading of 24:41?

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Re: Salat, Tasbih, Birds, and Other (jawaid ahmed
Noman Waseem, NJ -- Monday, 26 June 2017, 5:32 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 27 June 2017, 6:32 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 28 June 2017, 7:24 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 28 June 2017, 9:59 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 7:26 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 9:23 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 30 June 2017, 7:35 am
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Dawood, USA -- Friday, 30 June 2017, 10:31 pm
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Asif -- Saturday, 1 July 2017, 12:19 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 1 July 2017, 3:28 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 5 July 2017, 10:06 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 7:43 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 9:44 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 7 July 2017, 7:28 am
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dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 11 July 2017, 5:41 pm
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Asif -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 6:20 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 6 July 2017, 2:23 pm
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Asif -- Saturday, 8 July 2017, 5:48 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 8 July 2017, 2:48 pm
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Asif -- Sunday, 9 July 2017, 3:36 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 10 July 2017, 7:45 am