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Re: prostration of nature to Allah
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Monday, 22 May 2017, 9:43 pm
In Response To: prostration of nature to Allah (jawaid ahmed,uk)

I missed the following by Br. Jawaid. In none of the following I am referring to doing something on beads.

He writes: “The translation “praises and glory of Allah” is based on the false understanding of the word tasbeeh because how does the Moon etc. praise Allah? You may say it is allegorical so that is alright but then what is the allegorical understanding of this verse? …”

Br. Jawaid, it is your misunderstanding. If it is allegorical, then you don’t have to understand it, see 3:7. I noted from lexicons in my previous posts the three set of meanings related to the word “Subh”, namely: (i) to float/swim; (ii) occupation, burrowing in land, going about doing one’s business; (iii) verbal glorification of God. Further, the verb “sabbaḥa” means to do all three things and would depend upon the doer which meanings are to be adopted and are appropriate.

Moon and sun etc. are floating/swimming, this is their Tasbih. These bodies may also be doing more than just swimming/floating, that is the allegorical part which we don’t know much about.

Br. Jawaid wrote: “…Now we have a clearer understanding of the word the correct translation of tasbeeh should be “to carry out the duties of Allah in a swift and expeditious manner”.

No, this is your brainchild. Where did you get the “swift and expeditious manner”? Programmed entities cannot be referred to doing things in “swift and expeditious manner.” Can you say, robots are working swiftly and expeditiously?

Br. Jawaid wrote: “The Moon does not have beads wrapped around itself and does not speak praises but is travelling along in its orbit in the correct manner assigned to it by Allah.”

Irrelevant questions and observations get you irrelevant answers brother. Moon is floating/swimming, this much we know. If it does more than that, we are not much aware at this time, that is allegorical.

Br. Jawaid wrote: “That means our tasbeeh should be following the guidance of Allah in the best and most straightforward manner as possible by reading, understanding and implementing the Quran in our daily lives.”

The third set of meanings “to glorify God, to declare He is free from all evil, etc.” is the Tasbih for Man. Yes, following God’s commands is a desired ultimate outcome, but Quran calls that outcome “Taqwa” and not Tasbih. You are mixing up things.

Br. Jawaid wrote: “Remembering His Names is a ritual; following His Guidance is a way of life.”

It is a ritual or not, this is what God asks you to do. Remembering or bringing to mind His name is the first gate to get to His attributes and commands. And I am not referring to beads, rather remembering God, His names/attributes, His commands, how they fit in our lives, what He wants from us, etc. And when one consciously remains mindful of His attributes and commands and adhere to them in letter and spirit in day to day life, one is a Mutaqee, someone who remains untainted and unblemished by adopting a particular way of life, that becomes Deen for that person.

Br. Jawaid wrote: “… Unfortunately, this has been hijacked by the religious fraternity who have turned what may well be a lovely natural expression of appreciation and obedience to Allah into their lazy mans ritualistic, mindless act. …. History tells us we cannot compromise over the Quran so do not take that risk!”

Is this your reasoning to discard God’s commands and go with your own desires and thoughts? Is it not logical to seek the knowledge from Quran to establish those commands in your own life instead of looking at others and criticizing them for their sins of omission and commission? Should we discard doing science because some people have hijacked it to do something totally unscientific? If others are doing Salat the wrong way, you do it the right way. If others' salat is not producing results, you ensure that yours produce the right results. Why should you let the Salat go if others are doing it the wrong way?

Best Regards,
Dawood

Messages In This Thread

prostration of nature to Allah
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 2:49 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 22 May 2017, 6:06 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 23 May 2017, 2:00 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 23 May 2017, 9:44 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
JAwaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 25 May 2017, 8:26 am
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 25 May 2017, 10:40 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Yusuf, TX -- Monday, 29 May 2017, 9:25 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 31 May 2017, 8:16 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Yusuf, Texas -- Tuesday, 6 June 2017, 5:52 am
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Yusuf, Texas -- Monday, 29 May 2017, 10:44 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 31 May 2017, 8:23 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Monday, 22 May 2017, 9:43 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 23 May 2017, 1:39 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 23 May 2017, 9:52 pm
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 25 May 2017, 8:33 am
Re: prostration of nature to Allah
Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 25 May 2017, 10:47 pm