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Re: 24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 12:31 am
In Response To: Re: 24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS (jawaid ahmed,uk)

Thank you for your clarifications. It looks like we are back a full circle. Let me just take the most important issue as per my understanding and the rest stay dormant for sake of time since I have other business to attend to.

You wrote: “31:17. "O my son! establish regular prayer, enjoin what is just, and forbid what is wrong: and bear with patient constancy whatever betide thee; for this is firmness (of purpose) in (the conduct of) affairs.”

In 31:17, you have translated the Arabic words “aqimi l-ṣalata = establish regular prayer”. At last, you agree that there is something called “regular prayers” at least in the case of single individual.

In 31:17, the word “aqimi” is a masculine imperative verb and the word “l-ṣalata” is a noun.

Earlier you translated “Aqeemu Salat=Establish the System that facilitates the following of Divine Commands.” The word “Aqeemu” in this phrase is also an imperative verb but it is plural for 3 or more people. The word “salat” is exactly the same as above and is a noun. Thus, the only difference in “aqimi l-ṣalata” of 31:17 and “Aqeemu Salat” is that the former is for a single individual whereas the latter is for three or more individuals.

Dear brother, when one individual is asked to do salat, it becomes prayers, but when 3 or more are asked to do the same, somehow it becomes “system”? I am puzzled, how and why do you go from “establish regular prayers” to “establish a system… “ when the only difference between two Arabic phrases is of number of individuals (i.e. 1 vs. 3 or more)? Is this not subjective and extrapolation of the verses? Please ponder and reflect?

Best Regards,
Dawood

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24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 6 May 2017, 8:26 am
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dawood, usa -- Sunday, 7 May 2017, 12:32 am
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AbdusSattar India -- Monday, 8 May 2017, 7:13 am
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 8 May 2017, 4:15 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 7:59 am
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 10:09 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 7:56 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 8:16 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 8:19 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 11:11 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 13 May 2017, 3:25 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 15 May 2017, 3:34 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 16 May 2017, 8:37 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 12:31 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 1:03 pm
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dawood, usa -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 2:37 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 2:56 pm
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dawood, usa -- Friday, 19 May 2017, 1:32 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 19 May 2017, 1:21 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 11:41 am
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 10:04 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 3:01 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 8:05 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 9:07 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 11:24 pm