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Re: 24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS
By:Dawood, USA
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2017, 11:11 pm
In Response To: Re: 24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS (jawaid ahmed,uk)

Brother, by looking at your answers to my questions I don’t know where to begin. As per my understanding, you are thoroughly confused about Salat in Quran. I have not seen even a single verse mentioned in support of your "system" approach.

I can pick apart every answer of yours but it is unnecessary and will be the waste of time. To save time, here are a couple of examples for you to consider.

1. Assume someone is in a situation in which there is a strong likelihood of illegal sexual gratification. Which system, a council, a parliament, etc., this person needs to follow God’s command “don’t go near zina?” Do you think your system, aka council/parliament, etc., will be in position to intervene between these two individuals in their privacy, thereby enabling them to follow God’s commands?

2. Assume a murder has taken place and witness is a close relative of the murderer. What system, aka council, parliament, courts, etc., do you need to enable this witness to speak the truth, nothing but the truth (God’s command)?

3. It is God’s command “to do good to your parents.” Which system, council, parliament, etc. you need to follow this command of God?

I can go on, but these are sufficient to bring home the point that this “system theory” of yours, though fancy and attractive, cannot do anything in the above situations and countless similar situations. Your system theory is bankrupt. God’s Salat as defined in Quran is potent, it will address all three cases above and similar problems in one go.

In all three cases, no system is needed, rather the individual will follow God’s commands if he/she has a conviction/belief in God, the last day, and has remembered God and His commands during these situations. Salat if done correctly will be instrumental to bring about the last element in one’s mind, thereby helping him/her to do the right thing. When he/she does the right thing, i.e upheld the God’s command, he/she will be called a “muta’qee,” a person who emerged unblemished from such situations. I think Dr. Sahib has similar definition somewhere in his writings as well, if I correctly remember it.

“Mutual consultation” is one of the commands of God. All your “system related ideas” can be dealt with under this command. Doing “mutual consultation” is not Salat though, it is a separate command. As doing “consultation” is a command by itself which cannot be replaced or overridden by other commands, same way, doing Salat is one of God’s commands which must be performed/obeyed individually and collectively.

Finally, you missed the following in my previous post:

Allama Parwez states under article 9, page 1039, Urdu Lughat, that “the word Salat is also used for a specific actions at certain places in the Quran”. He further states, after quoting [5:6, 4:43, 4:101-2, 5:58, 62:9-10] etc., on page 1041 that “from the above exposition it is clear that the word “salat” is also used for the gatherings which are typically called gatherings of/for Namaz.”

Do you agree or disagree with the above statement(s) of Allama Parwez?

Best Regards,
Dawood

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24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 6 May 2017, 8:26 am
Re: 24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS
dawood, usa -- Sunday, 7 May 2017, 12:32 am
Re: 24:41 salat - English please!
AbdusSattar India -- Monday, 8 May 2017, 7:13 am
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 8 May 2017, 4:15 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 7:59 am
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 10:09 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 7:56 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 8:16 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 8:19 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 11:11 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 13 May 2017, 3:25 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 15 May 2017, 3:34 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 16 May 2017, 8:37 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 12:31 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 1:03 pm
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dawood, usa -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 2:37 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 2:56 pm
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dawood, usa -- Friday, 19 May 2017, 1:32 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 19 May 2017, 1:21 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 11:41 am
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 10:04 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 3:01 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 8:05 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 9:07 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 11:24 pm