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Re: 24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 7:59 am
In Response To: Re: 24:41 salat and tasbih OF BIRDS (Dawood, USA)

I have answered some of your questions in the other post on zakariya.
We are going round in circles so I will answer the two most important questions you asked:

1.Do you think birds when not in flight or birds which cannot fly, they too do Salat and Tasbih? Yes, No?

The Quran says EVERYTHING is doing what it is doing because Allah is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe, so EVERYTHING is acting and abiding by the laws of this universe, salat and tasbih, including birds not in flight. BUT it gives one good example of birds in flight as they are doing AN ACTION and not just lip service. The Reminder tells us after salat to GET UP and go about our business, acting upon what we have learnt in the salat. Please reflect upon this.

6. Should we/you take examples from “birds in flight” as to how we should perform our salat or God’s prophets, who came to lead and guide us should be our examples? Decide it for yourself.

See zakariya post.
Also, there is the fundamental question I have been asking you from day one. If you had no preconceived ideas and wanted to learn what salat is, then you could not say birds do not do salat when verse 24.41 says they do. This verse is one step in a ladder of understanding and knowledge about salat.You know very well that language can have multiple meanings/interpretations so looking at every verse about salat narrows this down to a basic understanding.You missed the point, the QURAN gives us the example of birds doing salat and tasbih for us to further reflect upon. Both birds and Prophets are important but by giving us the birds example we ELIMINATE the human tendency to bring God down to our level when He wants to raise us up closer to His. Reading Zakariya leaves open any interpretation, birds doing salat helps us narrow down what he was doing.

Why can you not accept birds do salat and tasbih, when the Quran say All creatures each know their salat and tasbih?
Unless you get this point then all else, zikr etc gets skewed in the wrong direction.

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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 6 May 2017, 8:26 am
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dawood, usa -- Sunday, 7 May 2017, 12:32 am
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AbdusSattar India -- Monday, 8 May 2017, 7:13 am
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 8 May 2017, 4:15 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 7:59 am
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 10:09 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 7:56 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 8:16 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 8:19 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 11:11 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 13 May 2017, 3:25 pm
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Dawood, USA -- Monday, 15 May 2017, 3:34 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 16 May 2017, 8:37 am
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Dawood, USA -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 12:31 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 1:03 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 2:56 pm
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dawood, usa -- Friday, 19 May 2017, 1:32 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 19 May 2017, 1:21 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 11:41 am
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Dawood, USA -- Tuesday, 9 May 2017, 10:04 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 10 May 2017, 3:01 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 9:07 am
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Dawood, USA -- Thursday, 11 May 2017, 11:24 pm