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Re: How do I translate Quran?
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2017, 2:10 pm
In Response To: Re: How do I translate Quran? (Mujaahid (Africa))

This is Qamar Zaman understanding that Allah is the State/system set up as per Quran and is not a 'seperate entity'.

My thoughts on this are as follows:
The Quran describes to us a 'something' that we cannot comprehend because we are space and time bound creatures and 'He' is without form, not bound by space and time. Thus 'He' is beyond anything we can imagine and to imagine 'Him' would make 'Him' not 'Him', if you understand my meaning.

Something revealed the Quran to Muhammad as Muhammad could not and did not write it himself, so it makes sense that this something would address 'what' and 'who' 'it' is in this revelation. Thus we have the proper name for this 'something' as Allah and His attributes well described.

If this was the end of it then we are wasting our time. We must set up a just social and economic system based upon His teachings, ruled by His laws so in this sense our state becomes 'His' state but this does not mean He is the State or Allah means State. That is where your understanding overstretches to breaking point the words and meaning of the Quran and as it stands I cannot accept it.

I am reminded that the great Quran scholar, Ghulam Ahmed Parwez, has many detractors over his rendition of the Quran but when I read his I find very little that does not make sense or goes beyond the pale; he makes sense when Qamar Zaman and others do not and i have studied what they have written so it is not a blind dismissal.
That said, I will keep my mind open.

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How do I translate Quran?
Badar Kanwar -- Wednesday, 8 February 2017, 9:18 pm
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Khalil Khan, Jamaica -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 12:08 am
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Razi, Kuwait / India -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 6:33 am
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Mujaahid (Africa) -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 6:55 am
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Shangrila Suhag, Spain -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 1:13 pm
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Abdullah Ali Al-Harbi, Jeddah -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 1:19 pm
What your silence means now?
Nawab Ahmad, GA -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 11:35 am
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Wali, Karachi -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 7:31 am
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Nawab Ahmad, GA -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 1:58 pm
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Wali, Karachi -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 5:05 pm
Enjoy the free comedy ......
Rukhsana Saleem, India -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 3:26 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 3:36 pm
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Badar Kanwar -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 4:07 pm
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Syed Sadruddin, Canada -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 4:56 pm
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Wali, Karachi -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 9:38 am
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Badar Kanwar, USA -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 3:13 pm
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Wali, Karachi -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 7:27 am
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Badar Kanwar USA -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 1:44 pm
Moderator and Br Wali: please see to it.
Nawab Ahmad, GA -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 3:55 pm
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Wali, Karachi -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 6:41 am
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Wali, Karachi -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 6:55 am
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Nawab Ahmad, GA -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 2:32 pm
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Wali, Karachi -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 4:47 pm
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Nawab Ahmad, GA -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 6:40 pm
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Wali, Karachi -- Sunday, 12 February 2017, 10:26 am
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Nawab Ahmad, GA -- Sunday, 12 February 2017, 6:37 pm
Free comedy --- LOL
Abdullah Ali Al-Harbi, Jeddah -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 9:41 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 11:25 am
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Badar Kanwar, USA -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 8:50 pm
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Mujaahid (Africa) -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 6:15 am
Free comedy - LOL
Abdullah Ali Al-Harbi, Jeddah -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 9:40 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Saturday, 11 February 2017, 2:10 pm
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Mujahid (Africa) -- Sunday, 12 February 2017, 6:05 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Monday, 13 February 2017, 9:04 am
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Zayd, Malaysia -- Tuesday, 14 February 2017, 9:58 am
How do I translate the Qur'an?
Dr Shabbir, Florida -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 4:38 pm
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Badar Kanwar -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 5:02 pm
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Shravan India -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 9:47 pm
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Saadia Khan, Norway -- Friday, 10 February 2017, 2:55 am
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Isaac Kakayama, Nairobi -- Thursday, 9 February 2017, 6:39 pm