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Re: Manmade Haram
By:Helen, UK
Date: Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 4:29 pm
In Response To: Manmade Haram (jawaid ahmed,uk)

Dear all,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jawaid's point was that the very long list (which he only produced for reference) has been invented by the ulema, and the Quran's list - consisting only of swine, sacrificial animals, running blood and already-dead animals (as clarified in 6:145 and repeated in verses 6:115, 2:173, and 5:3) is much shorter.

As an aside, I'm not at all convinced about what has been suggested in another thread about the interpretation of verse 6:142 - that these animals are listed apart as examples of 'what not to eat'. In fact it says at the end of the verse: 'Do not follow the footsteps of Satan' (the intellect that has a habit of classifying everything and over-complicating life). And then it shows examples of how people try to classify animals into those one can eat - such as cows - by male (bull usually used for labouring work) and female (the flesh of which is eaten).

And then, just three verses later, comes verse 6:145:

Say, "I DO NOT FIND in the Revelation given to me, ANY food that is prohibited for one who wishes to eat EXCEPT: Carrion (dead meat), running blood as against organ meats, the flesh of swine for it is disapproved, or anything (not just meat) which, in disobedience, has been dedicated to other than Allah.” QXP 6:145

So if we're not supposed to find any examples of forbidden animals except for those in 6:145, we should not be misinterpreting verse 6:142. In fact it's obvious that verse 6:145 is included expressly to avoid a misreading of 6:142.

Wa Salaam

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Manmade Haram
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 11:33 am
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*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 11:39 am
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 17 May 2012, 8:28 am
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Mujahid (RSA) -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 1:40 pm
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jawaid ahmed,uk -- Thursday, 17 May 2012, 7:48 am
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Mubashir, Canada -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 3:32 pm
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Helen, UK -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 4:29 pm
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*Dr. Shabbir, Florida -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 4:45 pm
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Helen, UK -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 8:17 pm
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jawaid ahmed, uk -- Thursday, 17 May 2012, 7:46 am
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Helen, UK -- Friday, 18 May 2012, 10:31 am