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Re: manmade haram
By:jawaid ahmed,uk
Date: Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 7:38 am
In Response To: Re: Mullahs say donkey is not Haram (Mubashir, Canada)

6:135 Say, "O My people! Go on doing what you wish, and so will I. Soon, you will know to whom belongs the ultimate (success). Most certainly, the wrongdoers will never prosper." [‘Uqba = End = The final outcome = The ultimate destination = Life Hereafter. The last is probably not applicable here because of the context]

What say you to this:-
In the wild, horses and donkeys are grazing animals, as noted from:-

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex598
[highlight the whole website address to acces it]

Donkeys are grazing animals; some are used for transport but the nature of the beast is no different to the sheep, camel etc.

The Quran says:-

5:3 The following things are Forbidden to you:
Carrion, blood, the flesh of swine, anything (not just meat) that has been dedicated to any other than God (such as an idol, grave or saint), any animal that has been strangled to death, or beaten to death, or killed by fall, or gored to death, or eaten by a wild animal unless you are able to slaughter it while it is still alive, and (also Forbidden is) what is sacrificed on idolatrous altars (devotional stones or blocks in shrines considered sacred). And (you are forbidden) from dividing one another’s portions through raffling, and divining the future by such means as arrows, for these are deviations.

If we have a clear verse from the Quran stating what we are forbidden to eat, then why is there a debate whether donkeys or any other animal are allowed or not? Surely the rules have been set and it is up to us to abide by them and stop conjecturing on what ELSE can or cannot be eaten.

Personal preference is different; I would not like to eat dog yet some people do, likewise with snails, a delicacy for some, a detestable worm to others. But they are not haram, forbidden to me by my Creator.

Allah has made the good thinks lawful for us but based on the Sharia laws passed down to us by our ancestors our Ulemas have ADDED to the list, because they know more than Allah! The fact that they have added to what the All-Knowing has decreed is irrelevant to them:-
1. Pig
2. Blood
3. Carnivorous animals
4. Almost all reptiles and insects
5. The bodies of dead animals
6. Halal animals which are not slaughtered according to the Islamic Law.
7. Wine, Ethyl Alcohol, and Spirits.

Halal animals are:
1. Camel
2. Goat
3. Sheep
4. Buffalo
5. Stag
6. Rabbit
7. Cow (including mountain cow)
8. Wild-ass (The prohibition in the Hadith is of domesticated donkeys)
9. Fish (except prawns by some sects)
10. Deer/Antelope/Gazelle
11. Duck
12. Heron
13. Nightingale
14. Quail
15. Parrot
16. Francolin
17. Locust
18. Partridge (heavy-bodied small-winged South American game bird)
19. Lark (North American yellow-breasted songbirds)
20. Sparrow
21. Goose
22. Ostrich
23. Dove
24. Pigeon
25. Stork
26. Rooster
27. Chicken
28. Peacock
29. Starling
30. Hoopoe (any of several crested Old World birds with a slender down-curving bill, known in Arabic as Hudhud- that was sent by Sayyiduna Suleyman (peace be upon him).
(The hoopoe was actually one of Suleiman generals, not a bird, tweet, tweet)

Haram are:-
1. Wolf
2. Hyena
3. Cat
4. Monkey
5. Scorpion
6. Leopard
7. Tiger
8. Cheetah
9. Lion
10. Jerboa
11. Bear
12. Swine/pig
13. Squirrel
14. Hedgehog
15. Snake
16. Tortoise/Turtle
17. Dog
18. Crab
19. Jackal
20. Donkey (domesticated)
21. Lizard
22. Fox
23. Crocodile
24. Weasel
25. Elephant (Radd al-Muhtar, 6/306)
26. Falcon
27. Hawk
28. Kite
29. Bat
30. Vulture
31. Mouse
32. Rat
33. All insects, such as a Mosquito, Fly, Wasp, Spider, Beetle, etc.

The making of carnivorous animals’ haram for us is probably based on the following verse of the Quran and definitely based on the Bible, but because we Muslims do not read the Quran in the context of what is written we have come up with the wrong conclusions.

Surah 6 verse 146:-
“Unto those who are Jews We forbade every animal with claws…….

Not applicable to us, but the Bible is our source of law as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-

Bible Leviticus Chapter 11
11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination.
11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
11:15 Every raven after his kind;
11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after his kind,
11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
11:24 And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcass of them shall be unclean until the even.
11:25 And whosoever beareth ought of the carcass of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
11:26 The carcasses of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not cloven-footed, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean.
11:27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcass shall be unclean until the even.
11:28 And he that beareth the carcass of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
11:29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
11:30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
11:31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
11:32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
11:33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
11:34 Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.
11:35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcass falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean and shall be unclean unto you.
11:36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcass shall be unclean.
11:37 And if any part of their carcass fall upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it shall be clean.
11:38 But if any water be put upon the seed, and any part of their carcass fall thereon, it shall be unclean unto you.
11:39 And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcass thereof shall be unclean until the even.
11:40 And he that eateth of the carcass of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcass of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
11:41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.
11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.
11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Messages In This Thread

Mullahs say donkey is not Haram
K.I. Bajwa, NJ -- Saturday, 12 May 2012, 4:00 am
Re: Mullahs say donkey is not Haram
Mubashir, Canada -- Sunday, 13 May 2012, 9:52 pm
Re: Mullahs say donkey is not Haram
Ahsan Sarosh USA -- Tuesday, 15 May 2012, 11:53 pm
Re: Mullahs say donkey is not Haram
Mubashir, Canada -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 2:58 pm
Re: manmade haram
jawaid ahmed,uk -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, 7:38 am